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Old 05-04-2016, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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Originally Posted by dechatelet View Post
It's not expensive to get a photo ID card.

And many states will give it to you for free.
It can be expensive to get a photo ID card, if you have to take off from work because of limited hours at the facility where you can get it or limited and remote facilities.

States don't charge for the ID because the Supreme Court ordered that it was unconstitutional to charge for them. Several of the early states implementing stricter Voter ID laws were charging, but again the Supreme Court struck down those laws.
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Old 05-04-2016, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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There have been many cases of voter fraud resulting in prosecution in the past 12 years alone. In Hamilton county Ohio, there was a woman that worked for the county elections board that voted for Obama twice in 2008, and was charged with, and prosecuted for election fraud for submitting absentee ballots for family members including one that was in a coma. The county board of elections noticed something wrong when they observed multiple absentee ballots from the same address, and all with the same handwriting. The woman charged openly admitted to committing the fraud, and admitted to casting illegal ballots in 2008, 2011, and 2012. and tried to justify by claiming she was fighting for Obama's right to sit as President.

The Ohio Secretary of State identified 74 races that were decided by a one vote margin between 2012-2015. With 74 races decided by a one vote margin, it is entirely possible that fraud changed the outcome of an election.

Voter fraud is real, despite assurances to the contrary from Democrats. Democrats deny voter fraud exists because 1) it's difficult to prove, especially if there are no controls like voter ID laws, and 2) it almost always benefits Democrat candidates.

Why would any rational person object to requiring an ID to vote? In every state with a voter ID law, there are provisions to provide free IDs to those that cannot afford them. There are also provisions to assist low income persons with obtaining the required source documents to obtain the IDs, transportation to ID card offices, online requests, etc. Bottom line, the only people that cannot obtain a required ID are those that don't want to. You need a photo ID to do almost anything in today's world. Try getting into a Clinton campaign event without showing a photo ID and let us know how that goes for you...
In the case you site, how would a photo voter ID requirement have prevented the fraud?
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Old 05-04-2016, 09:27 AM
 
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This is blatantly false, and disproven by numerous articles easily found via Google.
It most certainly is not false. The only people that were unable to vote, with regard to voter ID laws, were those not legally entitled to vote, or those that chose not to obtain the readily available, free required IDs.
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Old 05-05-2016, 04:48 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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It can be expensive to get a photo ID card, if you have to take off from work because of limited hours at the facility where you can get it or limited and remote facilities.

States don't charge for the ID because the Supreme Court ordered that it was unconstitutional to charge for them. Several of the early states implementing stricter Voter ID laws were charging, but again the Supreme Court struck down those laws.

You need an ID to cash your work paycheck, or have a bank account to deposit....


With Voter ID. Minority voting numbers have increased, not decreased.
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Old 05-05-2016, 07:10 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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You need an ID to cash your work paycheck, or have a bank account to deposit....
You can get a bank account without a photo id, but the point is that many people have a photo id but it's not 'good enough' for these states that are mandating a voter ID
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Old 05-05-2016, 07:13 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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It most certainly is not false. The only people that were unable to vote, with regard to voter ID laws, were those not legally entitled to vote, or those that chose not to obtain the readily available, free required IDs.
If you are going to make a claim like that, how about providing some data to support it?
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Old 05-05-2016, 07:28 AM
 
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It can be expensive to get a photo ID card, if you have to take off from work because of limited hours at the facility where you can get it or limited and remote facilities.

States don't charge for the ID because the Supreme Court ordered that it was unconstitutional to charge for them. Several of the early states implementing stricter Voter ID laws were charging, but again the Supreme Court struck down those laws.
We have some counties in Wisconsin where the DMV is only open on the fifth Tuesday (or whichever day of the week) of the month...and there are only four fifth Tuesdays on the whole calendar. So if you can't make it to the DMV on one of those four days on the calendar, you either drive really far, or you're out of luck.
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Old 05-05-2016, 07:40 AM
 
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We have some counties in Wisconsin where the DMV is only open on the fifth Tuesday (or whichever day of the week) of the month...and there are only four fifth Tuesdays on the whole calendar. So if you can't make it to the DMV on one of those four days on the calendar, you either drive really far, or you're out of luck.
Good thing elections happen like yearly so there is plenty of time to get to a DMV. Unless of course you are up to no good and need to register the same day for some nefarious reason. Of course, according to the DNC shills that never happens.
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Old 05-05-2016, 07:49 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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You can get a bank account without a photo id, but the point is that many people have a photo id but it's not 'good enough' for these states that are mandating a voter ID

The same form of ID needed to vote.
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Old 05-05-2016, 07:54 AM
 
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If you are going to make a claim like that, how about providing some data to support it?
You need data to support logic? All states with voter ID laws provide the required IDs free of charge. There are numerous programs in place to assist people with obtaining the IDs, from obtaining source documents, to even transportation in some cases. In the case of Texas, the following provision is available to those without the required ID:

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But what if a voter does not have any of these forms of photo ID? Are there any exceptions?
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If a voter does not have a permanent disability exemption (addressed below) indicated on his or her voter registration certificate AND the voter does not have any of the photo identifications indicated above at the time of voting, the voter may cast a provisional ballot at the polls. However, in order to have the provisional ballot counted, the voter will be required to visit the voter registrar’s office within six calendar days of the date of the election to either present one of the above forms of photo ID OR submit one of the temporary affidavits addressed below (e.g., religious objection or natural disaster) in the presence of the county voter registrar while attesting to the fact that he or she does not have any of the required photo IDs.
A permanent exemption is available for voters with documented disabilities. Voters with a disability may apply with the county voter registrar for a permanent exemption. The application must contain written documentation from either the U.S. Social Security Administration evidencing the applicant’s disability, or from the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs evidencing a disability rating of at least 50 percent. In addition, the applicant must state that he or she has no valid form of photo identification. Those who obtain a disability exemption will be allowed to vote by presenting a voter registration certificate reflecting the exemption.
Affidavits are available for voters who have a consistent religious objection to being photographed and for voters who do not have any photo identification as a result of certain natural disasters as declared by the President of the United States or the Texas Governor within 45 days of the day the ballot was cast.
Bottom line, if persons are unable to make it to the relevant agency to obtain the required ID, how are they making it out to the polls to vote in person? If they are voting by absentee ballot based on remote location, or other inability to vote in person, a photo ID is not required anyways. Even those showing up at the polls without the required ID may cast a provisional ballot. They then have six calendar days to to present the required ID to the voter registrar's office. If said person can make it to the polls to vote by provisional ballot, they should then be able to make it to the DMV to get the free ID, and to the voter registrar's office to present said ID to have their provisional ballot counted. Therefore, the only people kept from voting by voter ID laws are those not legally entitled to vote, or those that chose not to obtain the required ID.
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