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You need data to support logic? All states with voter ID laws provide the required IDs free of charge. There are numerous programs in place to assist people with obtaining the IDs, from obtaining source documents, to even transportation in some cases. In the case of Texas, the following provision is available to those without the required ID:
Bottom line, if persons are unable to make it to the relevant agency to obtain the required ID, how are they making it out to the polls to vote in person? If they are voting by absentee ballot based on remote location, or other inability to vote in person, a photo ID is not required anyways. Even those showing up at the polls without the required ID may cast a provisional ballot. They then have six calendar days to to present the required ID to the voter registrar's office. If said person can make it to the polls to vote by provisional ballot, they should then be able to make it to the DMV to get the free ID, and to the voter registrar's office to present said ID to have their provisional ballot counted. Therefore, the only people kept from voting by voter ID laws are those not legally entitled to vote, or those that chose not to obtain the required ID.
"If they are voting by absentee ballot based on remote location, or other inability to vote in person, a photo ID is not required anyways."
Now explain how these new stricter voting id laws are adding to the integrity of the voting process.
If a concerted effort existed to cast illegal votes the easiest method would be through the absentee voting process.
All this effort to guarantee who is voting can be simply undermined by mailing the ballot in.
No, you are not correct about that, there are a number of forms of photo ID which are not considered adequate for some state's voter ID laws, they have been posted in these forums over and over, if you are interested I'm sure you can find the information
name one, and then please prove that if voter fraud was involved in deciding the election, what kind of voter fraud was it, was it fraud by a voting official, absentee ballot fraud, or in person voting fraud?
You're asking for proof of something but want to deny the tools to prove it. Again this is like telling a cop he can't watch the stop sign and then declaring no one broke the law because no tickets were issued.
The official vote count in Florida and others for 2000 have Bush ahead something like 80 to 150 votes. With millions of votes cast are seriously going to suggest that the results could not have been influenced by voter fraud?
"If they are voting by absentee ballot based on remote location, or other inability to vote in person, a photo ID is not required anyways."
Now explain how these new stricter voting id laws are adding to the integrity of the voting process.
If a concerted effort existed to cast illegal votes the easiest method would be through the absentee voting process.
All this effort to guarantee who is voting can be simply undermined by mailing the ballot in.
The majority of votes are cast in person, at polling places. Voter ID laws go a long way toward eliminating election fraud at the voting booth. They eliminate many of the current loopholes that exist. Voting more than once, using false names, votes cast by ineligible voters, etc. With no requirement for proof of identity, address, registration status, etc., people could theoretically vote many times, at many polling places in the same election cycle.
Why would anyone object to a program that provides free IDs to eligible voters in an attempt to mitigate election fraud, unless the true objection was not one of disenfranchisement, but of opposition to reducing a perceived edge?
You're asking for proof of something but want to deny the tools to prove it. Again this is like telling a cop he can't watch the stop sign and then declaring no one broke the law because no tickets were issued.
Deny the tools, what does that mean, that you need voter ID to prove that there is voter fraud? I'm baffled by that. States that have imposed voter ID laws have spent tons of money trying to prove that in person voter fraud exists and they have come up empty handed.
The majority of votes are cast in person, at polling places. Voter ID laws go a long way toward eliminating election fraud at the voting booth. They eliminate many of the current loopholes that exist. Voting more than once, using false names, votes cast by ineligible voters, etc. With no requirement for proof of identity, address, registration status, etc., people could theoretically vote many times, at many polling places in the same election cycle.
Why would anyone object to a program that provides free IDs to eligible voters in an attempt to mitigate election fraud, unless the true objection was not one of disenfranchisement, but of opposition to reducing a perceived edge?
Here's one study there are dozens of others.
"An analysis by News21, a journalism project at Arizona State University, found 28 cases of voter fraud convictions since 2000. Of those, 14 percent involved absentee ballot fraud. Voter impersonation, the form of fraud that voter ID laws are designed to prevent, made up only 3.6 percent of those cases. (Other types included double voting, the most common form, at 25 percent, and felons voting when they were prohibited from doing so. But neither of those would be prevented by voter ID laws, either.)"
No, you are not correct about that, there are a number of forms of photo ID which are not considered adequate for some state's voter ID laws, they have been posted in these forums over and over, if you are interested I'm sure you can find the information
You cannot open a bank account with those ID's either.
The majority of votes are cast in person, at polling places. Voter ID laws go a long way toward eliminating election fraud at the voting booth. They eliminate many of the current loopholes that exist. Voting more than once, using false names, votes cast by ineligible voters, etc. With no requirement for proof of identity, address, registration status, etc., people could theoretically vote many times, at many polling places in the same election cycle.
Why would anyone object to a program that provides free IDs to eligible voters in an attempt to mitigate election fraud, unless the true objection was not one of disenfranchisement, but of opposition to reducing a perceived edge?
No proof of registration status? There are places who are letting people vote who are not registered?
All the weaknesses you list can be performed much easier via absentee ballots then in person voting. Yet, there has been on concerted effort to eliminate the possibility.
I have no objection to voter IDs if the state makes the effort to make sure every registered voter has one. But that is not what most states are doing. The are putting the burden on the voter and then making it more difficult to obtain the id.
No proof of registration status? There are places who are letting people vote who are not registered?
All the weaknesses you list can be performed much easier via absentee ballots then in person voting. Yet, there has been on concerted effort to eliminate the possibility.
I have no objection to voter IDs if the state makes the effort to make sure every registered voter has one. But that is not what most states are doing. The are putting the burden on the voter and then making it more difficult to obtain the id.
The only places I see it as an issue, are remote locations in Alaska, Arizona, Nevada and West Texas. Where civilization is a long way away.
But they live way out there, because they do not consent to be governed and they live so far out, they do not worry about other people telling them what, when and where to do.
You cannot open a bank account with those ID's either.
Yes, actually you can. Banks have a list of alternative means of identifying yourself. I've posted links to that several times when that claim has been made, I'm sure you can find it in these forums or search google for it if you don't believe me
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