Federal Judge Smacks Down Obama DOJ and Delivers Huge Win for Voter ID Laws (crime, election)
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What is so wrong with having to show a ID to vote? We have to show an ID for so many other things that we do everyday as others have pointed out AND many of those things are no where near as important as voting. Not ensuring that a voter is #1 who they say they are #2 are allowed to vote is like turning your back on an illegal alien and placing blame on the Police and not the criminal OH wait that stuff happens....
Well how about this, there are virtually no cases of in person voter fraud, but there are a whole bunch of cases of absentee ballot fraud. So, why would these states devote all their resources to voter IDs so they can solve a problem that doesn't exist but ignore absentee ballots? Doesn't that make you wonder what the real motive behind all of these ID cards is? Wouldn't that be sort of like a cop running after a jaywalker to write them a ticket and ignore a guy who is robbing a bank at the same time?
I don't see where it says that on their site or elsewhere, matter of fact the likely scenario is they are issuing non compliant cards specifically because of this law. That's what they doing here in PA, they would issue a card that was good for 10 years but it was only good for voting.
Furthermore under their instructions they list a non expiring ID for people over 65. You would have to surrender the real ID to get it.
Wisconsin now allows its residents, who are U.S. Citizens age 65 and over, to obtain an ID card which never expires!
The ID card is free if used for voting purposes and, once issued, the card never needs to be renewed. No more visits to a DMV.
Individuals holding a driver license, who wish to obtain this non-expiring ID card, must surrender their license and driving privileges.
Individuals holding a “REAL ID” must surrender that feature from their card. REAL ID compliant cards will continue to follow the eight-year renewal cycle.
The ID card carries the same appearance and security features as our traditional eight-year cards.
The words “Non-expiring” appear in place of the typical expiration date.
Well how about this, there are virtually no cases of in person voter fraud,
You can repeat this as many times as you want but it will never change the fact their is no way to indetify voter fraud without first identifying the voter.
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Wouldn't that be sort of like a cop running after a jaywalker to write them a ticket and ignore a guy who is robbing a bank at the same time?
Not a very good analogy, we know when a bank robbery occurs. Only jaywalking applies because it's one of those laws that you need to identify the lawbreaker when it occurs. I'm all for implementing ID for absentee ballots but that is much more difficult than doing it for in person voting.
I don't see where it says that on their site or elsewhere, matter of fact the likely scenario is they are issuing non compliant cards specifically because of this law. That's what they doing here in PA, they would issue a card that was good for 10 years but it was only good for voting.
Furthermore under their instructions they list a non expiring ID for people over 65. You would have to surrender the real ID to get it.
Click on proof of name and date of birth for ID Card:
Certified birth certificate from Wisconsin
Certified birth certificate from another State or Territory of the United States, or a certificate of birth abroad issued by the U.S. Dept. of State (federal forms FS-545 or DS-1350). In line with Puerto Rico's law, as of October 31, 2010, Wisconsin will not accept any Puerto Rican birth certificate certified before July 1, 2010. More information at PR.gov - Portal Oficial del Estado Libre Asociado de Puerto Rico.
Current (non-expired) U.S. passport.
Valid foreign passport with federal I-551 or I-94, arrival and departure record.
Valid Wisconsin driver license/DOT issued ID card, with your photograph and signature.
Federal I-551 Alien Registration Receipt Card.
Federal I-94 Arrival-Departure Record (Parole or Refugees Version), a reception and placement program assurance form plus a letter from sponsoring agency and MV3002.
U.S. Certificate of Naturalization (N-550 or N-570).
U.S. Certificate of Citizenship (N-560 or N-561).
Federal temporary resident card or employment authorization card (I-688, I-688B or I-766).
Native American Identification Card issued in Wisconsin by a federally recognized tribe.
Court order with court seal related to the adoption or divorce of the individual or to a name or gender change that includes the person's current full legal name, date of birth and the person's prior name. This does not include an abstract of criminal or civil conviction.
Armed Forces of the U.S. ID Card; Common Access Card or DD Form 2.
If money were equally distributed, everyone could get ID. Since money is not equally distributed, many people can afford ID and some cannot. I paid $63 to get my valid picture ID (and was unable to afford it for an extended time), it's not as if it is free. Note that expired picture ID is not accepted for voting. How does not allowing expired ID prevent fraud? Does your identity expire when your ID does?
In nearly every single state with a voter ID, there are provisions to provide free, state approved ID cards for those that cannot afford them.
These persistent claims of voter disenfranchisement based on income level are just baseless talking points. Bottom line, the only persons that are prevented from voting by voter ID laws are those that are not legally entitled to vote in the first place. Non-citizens, the deceased, persons that have already voted, the family pets, etc.
So how does a US born citizen who does not drive get the free voter ID card if they don't have a birth certificate or a passport?
Here is the list for non compliant card.
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A foreign passport with federal I-551 resident alien registration receipt card or federal I-94 arrival and departure record that identifies the person's first and last names, and the person's day, month and year of birth.
A Wisconsin driver license bearing a photograph of the person.
A Wisconsin ID card issued under §.343.50, bearing a photograph of the person.
Federal I-94 Arrival/Departure Record (Parole or Refugee version) and MV3002.
A federal temporary resident card or employment authorization card (federal form I-688, I-688A).
Native American ID card issued in Wisconsin.
Court order with full name, date of birth and court seal. (Does not include abstract of criminal or civil convictions).
Armed forces of the U.S. ID card issued to military personnel. Common Access Card or DD form 2.
If you do not have any of these they have a form available here:
1) I'm understand that you're retired military - but that's a bit far for the regular civilian to travel for an ID.
2) I concur with everything else - honestly, I can't think of one encounter in which I met or knew an adult that didn't have either a valid state or federal ID. I don't understand what the issue is with having a valid ID to vote, as long as it's a state ID, DL or federal ID. Having a separate voter's ID is a stupid ideal however...much like my separate CCW license is...but that's another topic in itself.
The point of my post was that picture ID cards are VERY inexpensive to make, and can be made very rapidly. The distance we traveled was by choice, not necessity.
If a "special" picture ID card is required for voting, it can be made cheaply, rapidly, and easily, using a readily available computer program, camera, printer, and a heat laminating device. Yes, the applicant must be present to get the picture taken. If the antis would spend as much time and money helping people get the ID as they do crying about the need for it, the problems they are hollering about would all be resolved!
It's not "nearly", it's all of them. Charging for the ID if you need it to vote would be challenged as poll tax.
Agreed - but it's an ignorant challenge. I know, it's been brought up before in courts...but still. I don't believe in a separate ID just to vote - but having a valid state ID or drivers license should be sufficient and required imo.
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