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Old 05-02-2016, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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It's you people who are rejecting science. Science dictates that you question EVERYTHING. The AGW'ers don't question anything, they just believe what they are told like they have been raised to do.
Then present a legitimate counter argument. Not conspiracy theories, and not junk science. That's all anyone has ever asked.
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Old 05-02-2016, 02:20 PM
 
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If there's nothing to the story then it should be easy to explain the discrepancy in the maps.

We're waiting...
Here Ya Go
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Old 05-02-2016, 02:22 PM
 
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Gas is not the only thing that can replace coal.
Explain what and how. For example it's Jan 1st in the northeast US. The temperature is minus 10, it's snowing blocking what little sun there is, very little wind and as 7 PM approaches electric is now hitting a peak demand record.
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Old 05-02-2016, 06:14 PM
 
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Explain what and how. For example it's Jan 1st in the northeast US. The temperature is minus 10, it's snowing blocking what little sun there is, very little wind and as 7 PM approaches electric is now hitting a peak demand record.
Man, nobody thinks that solar and wind are going to completely replace natural gas and coal overnight, it's going to take many decades in a best case scenario, which we are very far from having, and even then those sources will likely never completely eliminate gas and coal, even if there was a concerted push to do so.
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Old 05-02-2016, 06:20 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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Sadly we've come to point that we can no longer trust any federal agency.

Icegate: Now NSIDC Caught Tampering With Climate Records


and people are still wondering why people just do not believe in global warming. when you always fudge the results of climate science to get the results that you want, then that is just means that it is all bunk.
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Old 05-02-2016, 06:31 PM
 
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Man, nobody thinks that solar and wind are going to completely replace natural gas and coal overnight, it's going to take many decades in a best case scenario, which we are very far from having, and even then those sources will likely never completely eliminate gas and coal, even if there was a concerted push to do so.
You have failed to explain the what or the how.

Get this through your head, solar and wind will never replace fossil fuels. There is no way for them to adequately supply base power without enormous expense, the capacity and storage required to do that is insurmountable. What we are doing now with solar and wind will be blips on the timeline of history. Sans some major technological breakthrough like fusion there is only two potential sources of energy that will replace fossil fuels/nuclear, geothermal and ocean currents because they can supply base power.
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Old 05-02-2016, 08:03 PM
 
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You have failed to explain the what or the how.

Get this through your head, solar and wind will never replace fossil fuels. There is no way for them to adequately supply base power without enormous expense, the capacity and storage required to do that is insurmountable. What we are doing now with solar and wind will be blips on the timeline of history. Sans some major technological breakthrough like fusion there is only two potential sources of energy that will replace fossil fuels/nuclear, geothermal and ocean currents because they can supply base power.
Says the guy named coal man..... Next you are gonna tell us that coal is clean.
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Old 05-02-2016, 08:32 PM
 
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Says the guy named coal man..... Next you are gonna tell us that coal is clean.
Says the guy who knows what he's talking about. This is not to difficult to understand.

The total capacity in the US is about 1000 gigawatts, this is determined by what will be peak demand. This is the threshold you need to meet to prevent blackouts during high demand periods. Setting aside the cost compared to fossil fuels suppose you replace that with 1000 gigawatts of solar capacity. Now suppose you can meet demand for about 8 hours as long as the weather is cooperating..... what are you going to do for the next 16 hours?

You capacity requirements just tripled to 3000 gigawatts and you need the means to store 16 hours of production during that 8 hours you can generate electric.

When the sun doesn't shine the next day? You capacity requirements are now at 6000 gigawatts and you need the means to store 40 hours of production.

When the sun doesn't shine for the next week? When you are in the Northern part of the US and you are only getting 4 hours of good sun assuming the weather is cooperating?

Do you see where this is going? This is and always will be the Achilles heal of solar and wind. Your capacity and storage needs increase exponentially.
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Old 05-02-2016, 08:33 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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You have failed to explain the what or the how.

Get this through your head, solar and wind will never replace fossil fuels. There is no way for them to adequately supply base power without enormous expense, the capacity and storage required to do that is insurmountable. What we are doing now with solar and wind will be blips on the timeline of history. Sans some major technological breakthrough like fusion there is only two potential sources of energy that will replace fossil fuels/nuclear, geothermal and ocean currents because they can supply base power.

I never said we could completely replace fossil fuels, not once. The idea is to gradually increase the production of renewable resources. Even if renewable resources increase exponentially there is no guarantee that demand for base power won't also increase exponentially.

What you seemingly fail to understand is this is an evolving industry. The technology in use today is not what will be in use next year, as advancements can increase output and ease of use in the future. Look to Germany, Holland and Denmark for examples.

If we all thought like you do, we would throw up our hands and give up, which is likely exactly what you would like to see.

But we all don't think like you.
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Old 05-02-2016, 09:23 PM
 
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Says the guy who knows what he's talking about. This is not to difficult to understand.

The total capacity in the US is about 1000 gigawatts, this is determined by what will be peak demand. This is the threshold you need to meet to prevent blackouts during high demand periods. Setting aside the cost compared to fossil fuels suppose you replace that with 1000 gigawatts of solar capacity. Now suppose you can meet demand for about 8 hours as long as the weather is cooperating..... what are you going to do for the next 16 hours?

You capacity requirements just tripled to 3000 gigawatts and you need the means to store 16 hours of production during that 8 hours you can generate electric.

When the sun doesn't shine the next day? You capacity requirements are now at 6000 gigawatts and you need the means to store 40 hours of production.

When the sun doesn't shine for the next week? When you are in the Northern part of the US and you are only getting 4 hours of good sun assuming the weather is cooperating?

Do you see where this is going? This is and always will be the Achilles heal of solar and wind. Your capacity and storage needs increase exponentially.
So what you are saying is you think coal is the best source of fuel.

Though I will say your post does show that you don't understand how solar and wind energy works, but coal is superior so why bother learning...
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