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Old 05-04-2016, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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Last time some female CEO said this, she was universally criticized for being... honest.

Basically she said I became a CEO because I made my choice such as not having babies.
yeah, I've worked in the business world now for almost 30 years, and have come across a lot of woman who try to juggle both. Of course, they and their husband have bought mega mansions....so, both have to work, but in all that time, I've run across a lot of really angry power hungry women, who I believe are trying so hard to climb to the top, but feel guilty about leaving their kids. And some of them travel a great deal?

It is hard, I'm not saying it isn't...however, when I worked construction and the men tried to pamper me, I told them...."I'm out here making the same pay as you, and if I can't hold my share of the job up, then I shouldn't be here!" I believe that is why they respected me. Of course, now, my body is paying for it big time.

My point is...if you want equal pay and equal rights, you can't go expecting things above what the men that you work with have.

Sorry, but I was raised old school.

 
Old 05-04-2016, 09:38 AM
 
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Again, having a baby is not sickness. It's no different from wanting a long vacation.

But it is. We as a society value family. We need the next generations. Politicians need a new tax base, the elite need worker bees. We accommodate. That's why companies have vacation time, sick leave, medical insurance, flex time, maternity/paternity leave, 401K, bonuses, handicap facilities, overtime, part time, holidays. They do this to attract and keep good employees.

Government mandates FMLA, workman's comp, SS, unemployment, non-discrimination. They dont want people out of work. Government likes family. They offer marriage benefits and child tax breaks. We need those rolly-polly little **** machines so we accommodate. It may not always be medically necessary to take 2-4-6 weeks off due to pregnancy and childbirth but we as a society have found it important for parents to have that time to bond with their new child, to get things in order and adjust and not be so stressed worrying about their job.
 
Old 05-04-2016, 09:50 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Again, having a baby is not sickness. It's no different from wanting a long vacation.
Then negotiate with your workplace to take a long vacation, for god's sake!

And, if your current employer won't let you do that, just quit and find another job!

Some people I used to work with would take three-month vacations so they could go back 'home' (another country) for a long visit.

 
Old 05-04-2016, 09:52 AM
 
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That is actually wrong. You should not be have to be subsidizing dental insurance for children when it is not available to you as an individual insured, as standard care that everyone needs. This IS something people should object to. It is part of Obamacare. Dental issues are medical issues, we know this now more than ever before, a dental infection can kill, adult dental insurance is awful unless the employer covers it and many cannot afford much dental care.

Birth control is just covered as a prescription medication.

Maternity leave beyond FMLA is a perk, like allowing extra vacation time.
We are a very small company. We were able to vote on the medical "package". If I had children, they would also be covered but I don't.

The point is the employer is trying to accommodate all employees, this package is fairly comparable in price and coverage to other packages, it has coverage I will never use but its really not costing me anymore than a similar package without pedi dental, its not taking away from me so why be so bent against someone else taking the benefit when its needed?
We have had two women take unpaid maternity leave (one twice). It affects their paycheck and their promotions. It doesn't affect me so why deny them because they wanted a family.
 
Old 05-04-2016, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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But it is. We as a society value family. We need the next generations. Politicians need a new tax base, the elite need worker bees. We accommodate. That's why companies have vacation time, sick leave, medical insurance, flex time, maternity/paternity leave, 401K, bonuses, handicap facilities, overtime, part time, holidays. They do this to attract and keep good employees.

Government mandates FMLA, workman's comp, SS, unemployment, non-discrimination. They dont want people out of work. Government likes family. They offer marriage benefits and child tax breaks. We need those rolly-polly little **** machines so we accommodate. It may not always be medically necessary to take 2-4-6 weeks off due to pregnancy and childbirth but we as a society have found it important for parents to have that time to bond with their new child, to get things in order and adjust and not be so stressed worrying about their job.
you gave me a lot of good common sense food for thought here, thank you


I guess as in everything else, there is good and bad in everything....

I'm looking at it as a person who has been affected by maternity leaves, b/c the company didn't want to hire a temp....plus, I can also see things from the company's point of view....

But you did make sense....
 
Old 05-04-2016, 10:09 AM
 
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Who is doing your work when you are on leave? Who's paying for that?

Manage child caring means the person should know the time and money required to care for a child. If the person uses up all the vacation time, she or he should negotiate with the employer or just quit the job.
Your individualism is admirable, but we humans are not solitary animals. Advanced societies tend to provide for each other. If you examine history you will clearly see a progression to socialism. This is quite evident in Europe where countries are more mature.

Nevertheless, I am a firm advocate of capitalism since this is the only economic system that brings prosperity. Unfortunately for some highly individual folks capitalism must be sprinkled with socialism. We cannot stay at the level of the jungle (survival of the strongest) forever.

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Old 05-04-2016, 10:20 AM
 
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You apparently have no idea how the insurance companies work - neither do I. I only have a glimpse through my own medical care experience to know how complex it is. Please keep in mind, all insurance companies are for profit companies, not charity.

For example, what medicine should be covered? If a drug is approved by FDA for use to treat one disease but somehow it works for another disease, should it be cover for treating the other disease? There are literally millions of medicines, treatments, procedures, interactions, diseases, regulations, etc. Just to keep track of them is an enormous task, not to mention each patient would have completely different situation. How to make profit out of this complicated situation is a really good question.

A good computer programmer can grasp that? Good luck! I have interviewed hundreds of programmers and not one had any kind of business sense. I happened to learn a few things about Electronic Medical Record. It's NOT simple. Definitely not for a physician to grasp.

The idea of insurance may be old but to make it work in today's increasingly complex and specialized world is innovative. Please keep in mind, Microsoft never really "invented" anything - they just copied them and made them more available to the end users. They got "lucky" to start the company with IBM behind them. I do say this loosely as Microsoft is quite innovative too.
You are in love with the concept of having folks like UHC make billions in profit. I don't see it that way. The work they do is not that difficult. It may seem difficult because in their quest to make a profit they must deny coverage to those with prior illness. They also try to reduce payments for medical care received and they constantly increase the premiums patients pay to maintain the profit margin.

Perhaps this simple graph may open your eyes:



This out of control increment cannot go on forever. This is bound to end in a crisis for the US. The American people are taking a big hit.

Don't get me wrong! I am not against big salaries for CEOs. If Steve Jobs earned 20 trillion dollars a year I would not complain. But, a health Insurance CEO making 66 million a year is as you said before: HIGHLY UNETHICAL. He is getting paid for fleecing the health insurance consumers.
 
Old 05-04-2016, 10:30 AM
 
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you gave me a lot of good common sense food for thought here, thank you


I guess as in everything else, there is good and bad in everything....

I'm looking at it as a person who has been affected by maternity leaves, b/c the company didn't want to hire a temp....plus, I can also see things from the company's point of view....

But you did make sense....
I have never worked at a big company or job where I would have to cover shifts or take on someone else work load for an extended time. I dont know how common that is so there may be a legitimate gripe. But this would occur in cases of extended illness, etc. also not just maternity. I would think an employer would try to distribute the work load among employees to lessen the burden if they refused to hire a temp.
 
Old 05-04-2016, 10:41 AM
 
Location: The Hall of Justice
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But everyone is entitled to maternity leave should they need/want it so it is not discriminatory. It would be discriminatory if it were only given to some pregnant people and not other pregnant people.

Why are people mad that they arent getting something they dont need. Our health insurance covers pediatric dentistry only. Adults are not covered. I dont have children at home. Should I be mad because my co workers get coverage for their children and I dont for children I dont have. Birth control is also covered, my premiums pay for that too but I dont need it. Should those that do need BC not get it because I dont need it?
My coworker just took five days off because her mother died. My mother is still alive but I want that relaxing "me-time" too. It's really unfair.
 
Old 05-04-2016, 10:58 AM
 
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But it is. We as a society value family. We need the next generations. Politicians need a new tax base, the elite need worker bees. We accommodate. That's why companies have vacation time, sick leave, medical insurance, flex time, maternity/paternity leave, 401K, bonuses, handicap facilities, overtime, part time, holidays. They do this to attract and keep good employees.

Government mandates FMLA, workman's comp, SS, unemployment, non-discrimination. They dont want people out of work. Government likes family. They offer marriage benefits and child tax breaks. We need those rolly-polly little **** machines so we accommodate. It may not always be medically necessary to take 2-4-6 weeks off due to pregnancy and childbirth but we as a society have found it important for parents to have that time to bond with their new child, to get things in order and adjust and not be so stressed worrying about their job.
Right, so it's a discrimination against those who don't have children or have less children than others.

It's just like we used to value whites over black and yellow, or man-woman married over same-sex marriage.
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