Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
It's hard on the body because you choose to have babies. It's no different from that I choose to climb the Mount Everest - that's hard on the body. Shouldn't I deserve months off for that too?
In Canada maternity leave is paid through Unemployment Insurance, which is taxpayer funded.
It is not the same thing. And FWIW, you could easily use your paid time off to recover from Mount Everest climbing just like women use their "sick" and "PTO" time to pay for maternity leave.
You mentioned a lot about Canada in this thread and their 6-12 month paid leaves. The first 12 months of life for a human infant are the most important of one's entire life in regards to physical growth and the needed nurturing for emotional stability. Countries who have extended paid leaves actually have better educational and social outcomes on a whole versus those that don't. Canada IMO is better than the US in this regard. They make an investment in the people of the country via maternity leaves along with universal healthcare. People are what make up a country. People are who work for these corporations of which you are so passionate about. Without more people being born and nurtured well, our society will fluster.
The woman in the OP is an idiot who wrote that piece. She does not know what maternity leave is or how it is given out. Maternity leave is a function of FMLA in most states. Prior to using FMLA, the woman has to use up her "sick" or "PTO" time, so she has to use all of her "vacation" time to recover from childbirth and take care of a newborn, some of the most trying times in a woman's life if she does choose to have children. It is not relaxing or a vacation. The woman is actually working at home.
The woman who wrote the piece fails to mention that she already has the benefit of FMLA and of "sick" or "PTO" time at her job. If she wants a break, she can take a vacation. I am a woman and as stated earlier I have 2 kids of which I never took a maternity leave. The first one because I couldn't afford it. The second, I was a stay at home mom and my husband worked 3 jobs at that time so I didn't have to work when our youngest was a baby. I would rather work out of the home than in the home because, contrary to what that idiot woman thinks, it is "harder" to work and take care of kids (on all levels, not just sit them in front of a TV and feed them garbage, but to be an active parent) and do stuff at home than it is to work an office job. If she is like me (I currently do work), she probably gets 2-4 weeks paid vacation a year. She can take that entire time at once and pretend it is her "meternity" leave if she wants to. I am lucky that I get 4 weeks paid vacation per year. I make sure to take one entirely by myself so I get "me" time.
On the mom's "rushing" off after work to do kid stuff, I actually have to do that. I would rather stay at work in the nice quiet where I don't have to cook and clean and shop and ensure homework is done and ensure baths are taken and ensure bedtimes are adhered to, versus go home and do all of the above (in sometimes 1.5 hours total).
Due to her not being a mom and not knowing what it entails for either being a SAHM or a working mom, she is an idiot to complain about being able to focus on her career and to take a vacation by herself or to use all the other "time" that she has to tend to herself and her extended family which brings me to this:
Quote:
Originally Posted by JustJulia
My coworker just took five days off because her mother died. My mother is still alive but I want that relaxing "me-time" too. It's really unfair.
I also thought about the other types of leaves people get and wondered if she wanted a "me-reavement" leave lol. Cause you know, you "choose" to go to your parents or grandparents funeral. You "knew" they were going to die and other people have to stay at work for 1-2 weeks and do your work for you (in essence of lifeexplorer). You should just bury your parents the morning they die and come back to work.
FYI, the above was sarcasm in case it goes over people's heads.
Your individualism is admirable, but we humans are not solitary animals. Advanced societies tend to provide for each other. If you examine history you will clearly see a progression to socialism. This is quite evident in Europe where countries are more mature.
Nevertheless, I am a firm advocate of capitalism since this is the only economic system that brings prosperity. Unfortunately for some highly individual folks capitalism must be sprinkled with socialism. We cannot stay at the level of the jungle (survival of the strongest) forever.
Each individual should be held accountable for their actions so that it wouldn't burden the society. You advocate to burden the society at the get-go. That's just not ethical or moral.
You are responsible for your own children. If you have to use taxpayers' money, the society should take the children away from you since you can't be responsible.
It is not the same thing. And FWIW, you could easily use your paid time off to recover from Mount Everest climbing just like women use their "sick" and "PTO" time to pay for maternity leave.
You mentioned a lot about Canada in this thread and their 6-12 month paid leaves. The first 12 months of life for a human infant are the most important of one's entire life in regards to physical growth and the needed nurturing for emotional stability. Countries who have extended paid leaves actually have better educational and social outcomes on a whole versus those that don't. Canada IMO is better than the US in this regard. They make an investment in the people of the country via maternity leaves along with universal healthcare. People are what make up a country. People are who work for these corporations of which you are so passionate about. Without more people being born and nurtured well, our society will fluster.
The woman in the OP is an idiot who wrote that piece. She does not know what maternity leave is or how it is given out. Maternity leave is a function of FMLA in most states. Prior to using FMLA, the woman has to use up her "sick" or "PTO" time, so she has to use all of her "vacation" time to recover from childbirth and take care of a newborn, some of the most trying times in a woman's life if she does choose to have children. It is not relaxing or a vacation. The woman is actually working at home.
The woman who wrote the piece fails to mention that she already has the benefit of FMLA and of "sick" or "PTO" time at her job. If she wants a break, she can take a vacation. I am a woman and as stated earlier I have 2 kids of which I never took a maternity leave. The first one because I couldn't afford it. The second, I was a stay at home mom and my husband worked 3 jobs at that time so I didn't have to work when our youngest was a baby. I would rather work out of the home than in the home because, contrary to what that idiot woman thinks, it is "harder" to work and take care of kids (on all levels, not just sit them in front of a TV and feed them garbage, but to be an active parent) and do stuff at home than it is to work an office job. If she is like me (I currently do work), she probably gets 2-4 weeks paid vacation a year. She can take that entire time at once and pretend it is her "meternity" leave if she wants to. I am lucky that I get 4 weeks paid vacation per year. I make sure to take one entirely by myself so I get "me" time.
On the mom's "rushing" off after work to do kid stuff, I actually have to do that. I would rather stay at work in the nice quiet where I don't have to cook and clean and shop and ensure homework is done and ensure baths are taken and ensure bedtimes are adhered to, versus go home and do all of the above (in sometimes 1.5 hours total).
Due to her not being a mom and not knowing what it entails for either being a SAHM or a working mom, she is an idiot to complain about being able to focus on her career and to take a vacation by herself or to use all the other "time" that she has to tend to herself and her extended family which brings me to this:
I also thought about the other types of leaves people get and wondered if she wanted a "me-reavement" leave lol. Cause you know, you "choose" to go to your parents or grandparents funeral. You "knew" they were going to die and other people have to stay at work for 1-2 weeks and do your work for you (in essence of lifeexplorer). You should just bury your parents the morning they die and come back to work.
FYI, the above was sarcasm in case it goes over people's heads.
It seems like a lot of people don't understand the word "choice" and "responsibility."
Having baby is your choice, meaning you have made the decision to become pregnant and give birth. You bring that exhaustion or headache yourself. This is the same as I decide to climb the Mount Everest which is exhausting.
Right, so it's a discrimination against those who don't have children or have less children than others.
It's just like we used to value whites over black and yellow, or man-woman married over same-sex marriage.
But you get the same time off if you have to go to rehab, have a mental breakdown, have to care for a family member, etc. You get the same benefit if the same thing happens to you. That is not discrimination.
But you get the same time off if you have to go to rehab, have a mental breakdown, have to care for a family member, etc. You get the same benefit if the same thing happens to you. That is not discrimination.
Again, people usually don't choose to go to rehab or have a mental breakdown. They are totally different from choosing to have babies.
I don't understand why it's so hard for you to grasp this.
Most life insurances don't pay if the insurer commits suicide in the first 2 years. Why? Because they choose to die.
And you dont seem to understand that society needs those rolly polly chit machines. Our society if family friendly. If couples had to choose between a job and a family what do you suppose would happen?
If the society truly needs babies, it would be against same-sex marriage.
If couples had to choose between a job and a family what do you suppose would happen? It's up to the couple to decide.
Again, people usually don't choose to go to rehab or have a mental breakdown. They are totally different from choosing to have babies.
I don't understand why it's so hard for you to grasp this.
Most life insurances don't pay if the insurer commits suicide in the first 2 years. Why? Because they choose to die.
Why are you so hung up on people having a choice? People make choices everyday, they choose to drink or take drugs which leads to rehab, they choose to smoke, they choose to eat unhealthy, they may choose the lifestyle that lead to a mental breakdown. People choose to work knowing they have a genetic disposition for mental illness, addiction, debilitating disease.
Why are you so hung up on people having a choice? People make choices everyday, they choose to drink or take drugs which leads to rehab, they choose to smoke, they choose to eat unhealthy, they may choose the lifestyle that lead to a mental breakdown. People choose to work knowing they have a genetic disposition for mental illness, addiction, debilitating disease.
People don't choose to be sick.
I don't quite understand how people can be so selfish, greedy, unethical, and immoral to ask taxpayers aka society to pay for your own children?
If you can't afford to have children, why have them?
Last edited by lifeexplorer; 05-04-2016 at 12:06 PM..
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
