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In 2004-05, there were about 565,000 foreign students studying at U.S. colleges and universities. Fifty-eight percent of these students were from Asian countries.
According to ask Jeeves, there are 15 million college students (I think. It's hard to find this number, but it makes sense to me.) So 500,000 out of 15 million is hardly 20-25%. It is more like 4%.
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According to ask Jeeves, there are 15 million college students (I think. It's hard to find this number, but it makes sense to me.) So 500,000 out of 15 million is hardly 20-25%. It is more like 4%.
15 million college students do not all attend our nation's elite colleges and universities.
I'll quote this for you again...
"The international presence is particularly strong at the nation's elite schools and in science and math programs. International students as a percentage of total enrollment ranges from 20 to 25 percent."
If you don't understand this, perhaps you can contact the IIE directly.
The NCES says 560,000 foreign students total. I think they are probably a more reliable source.
Those 560,000 foreign students are not equally/proportionately distributed amongst all of our nation's colleges and universities. Really, you should contact the IIE if you don't understand the statistics.
I was just a wee-bit agitated not angry nor frustrated. However, I am very passionate about perserving the values this country was founded on. I'm also interested in improving the lives of others and continuing to help make sure we remain #1, which if we do not fix the crappy public education system will be more of a dream then a reality. A country can only go in one way and if we continue to allow big government we will continually loose more freedoms as individuals until the government has full contorl.
Alexis De Tocquville once said, "Democracy extends the sphere of individual freedom, socialism restricts it. Democracy attaches all possible value to each man; socialism makes each man a mere agent, a mere number. Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word: equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude."
Adam Smith was all about public schools, so if your capitalistic moral ultra-power is founded on the views of the founder of it, then maybe you should found your schooling views on the foundation of that...
Teachers don't teach these days. They 'facilitate' students who are supposed to construct their own knowledge by teaching themselves and each other.
No more 'sage on the stage' - it's been 'guide on the side' and cooperative learning for at least the 13 years my kids have been in school.
Well hey then, lets just fire all teachers and send kids to a building of books and say go figure some stuff out. I'm sure those kids don't need any help at all if teachers are so useless as you imply. That'd save a bunch money. Or lets just have each parent educate their child the amount they feel is necessary!
So you are equating opening a single private school to operating a plane service between two cities? And I need to open my eyes?
Here once again is your original question...
How could a company stay in business that doesn't meet the needs of the parents, if the parents pay the salaries of the business, and there is competition?
The answer is that there will not be competition...corporate school operators will flee competition via consolidation. If privatized, K-12 education would become a multi-billion dollar market waiting to be gobbled up, a market in which consumers are compelled to consume by law. No one will choose to compete for this market. Competition is bad for profits. The slightly larger fish will gobble up the slightly smaller fish until at least local/regional oligopolies emerge. Unless re-regulated, these oligopolies will make all decisions regarding price and quality. Parents will retain control of pretty much nothing in this scenario.
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As far as the media is concerned, as I said, free cost of entry such as the Internet has changed the world of print media forever...
No doubt, but it has nothing to do with why the market went from hundreds of smaller outlets to a dozen or so much larger ones. Deregulation did that. Public schools are currently owned and operated by government. You can't get much more regulated than that. Privatization would be the deregulation of all deregulations. There are currently more than 15,000 locally elected school boards managing public K-12 education. Within a decade of privatization, you would be lucky to have 15 unelected corporate boards of directors making those decisions. Parental input? Forget about it.
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If the entire system were to go private, yes... there would be no more public schools. I never said that I favored such a model, only that profit doesn't equate to not caring about the children's interests. The performance of the school and percieved value will drive profit, not the mere existance of a school.
The thread topic is about junking the public model and replacing it with a privatized system, and privatization very much does replace any interest in children with an interest in profits. The ability of corporations to dominate a mandated market will drive profit, not student outcomes or parental satisfaction. The all but guaranteed results of any privatization scheme are higher costs and lower performance.
If private schools are the answer then why aren't there more cropping up especially in wealthier communities where the cost issue is less prohibitive?
In many areas of the country private and parochial schools are closing due to decreased enrollment and the inability to attract teachers due to very low salaries.
That leaves a lot of other schools. Just what are these "elite" schools and how do they become rated "elite"?
As much as I did not want to get back into this forum, i just had too on this one and a few others.
Simple straight forward Answer Katiana, is any school that requires students have above a 1300 on their SAT (under the old SAT system). When you get to extremely elite you're looking at 1350-1600. The average SAT score in this country is around 1026.
All of the schools you name with the exception of Cal-Tech, mostly admit students in with SAT scores ranging from 900-1200. Now, this does not mean this are bad schools, but they certainly are not "elite" by any strecth of the imagination. Also, that is not to say there are not kids at this non-elite schools with high SAT scores, because certain schools specialize in a host of different activities. Overall, a school may not be all around elite, but it may have an extremely strong science program, that ranks in the top 20 etc....
America's Best Colleges 2008: Undergraduate Ranking Criteria and Weights -- U.S.News & World Report (http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/about/weight_brief.php - broken link)
Hopefully this helps
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