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Conservatives want to maintain America as a place where religion is respected and where you have to work for what you get but you can achieve anything if you set your mind to it. Liberals want to change America into a socialist mecca where everyone gets to share in the proceeds obtained regardless of their contribution and they want to extenguish Christianity while allowing Islam to grow powerful and set the seeds of a future Islamic state.
The question posed by the OP, re: the diametrically opposed sides, originally focused on liberal & conservative thoughtviews. Then, the discussion seemed to evolve into something like the individual perspective v the collective one. Now, it seems to be about questioning the social contract.
I thought you don't believe in the social contract? At all. As in black & white thinking.
So what is there to discuss?
As in many other things, I don't see it as a black or white issue.
Social contracts differ from time to time & place to place, circumstance to circumstance. The earliest folks chose to live in groups because the alternative lifestyle was 'solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, & short'.
Human beings are social, the solitary human being is somewhat of a contradiction in terms. We become ...
The question posed by the OP, re: the diametrically opposed sides, originally focused on liberal & conservative thoughtviews. Then, the discussion seemed to evolve into something like the individual perspective v the collective one. Now, it seems to be about questioning the social contract.
I thought you don't believe in the social contract? At all. As in black & white thinking.
So what is there to discuss?
As in many other things, I don't see it as a black or white issue.
Social contracts differ from time to time & place to place, circumstance to circumstance. The earliest folks chose to live in groups because the alternative lifestyle was 'solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, & short'.
Human beings are social, the solitary human being is somewhat of a contradiction in terms. We become ...
No I don't believe in the social contract.
You were pondering some questions regarding it in that earlier post that appeared to me you may be rethinking it.
No worries. I still have hope for you ChiGeekGuest.
But that's probably because I see you as an individual whereas you still see me as part of a herd to be managed...occasionally rewarded and occasionally exploited.
You were pondering some questions regarding it in that earlier post that appeared to me you may be rethinking it.
No worries. I still have hope for you ChiGeekGuest.
But that's probably because I see you as an individual whereas you still see me as part of a herd to be managed...occasionally rewarded and occasionally exploited.
The social contract.... If I do not consent to your ridiculous demands, you will use intimidation and force to make me comply. The new Freedom & Liberties.
Dancing the waltz are you. We can take ridiculous out of the sentence for you, snowflake.
Just answer the question, or be considered a troll.
If I do not consent to your demands, will you force me to comply.
Damned if I do and damned if I don't. As usual you're missing a step here and there as you ramble on like a drunk, apparently missing my answer this time as well. All reminding myself of my note to self sometime ago, not to engage with this one or pay the price of attempting reason where there is none to be had...
You were pondering some questions regarding it in that earlier post that appeared to me you may be rethinking it.
No worries. I still have hope for you ChiGeekGuest.
But that's probably because I see you as an individual whereas you still see me as part of a herd to be managed...occasionally rewarded and occasionally exploited.
I am surely missing something here as well, because this argument simply defies any mature reason or logic...
No one can be born onto this planet and not be subject to the laws of the land where born, even if born in the middle of the jungle, you are subject to the law of the jungle. This is just a reality of our human existence much like we need a heart beat to live, air to breath, we're just born this way. Hello?
Right, no contracts, no consent, just the reality of our circumstances and conditions. As we mature and come to realize our circumstances and conditions, we begin to deal with them like adults. Well most of us do anyway.
You want to take issue with your particular circumstances and conditions, what laws exist where you were born or where you decide to live? Get in line!
Sure, join with the many others who lobby to change this condition or that, this law or that, but if most others are not so inclined, then those circumstances stand no matter how much you whine or cry or attempt to argue the ridiculous about what doesn't apply to you if you don't consent.
What's next, you shouldn't be required to feed yourself, because you never consented to the need for food in order to live?
Your problem(s) need to be taken up with your God, not government, not people.
I am surely missing something here as well, because this argument simply defies any mature reason or logic...
No one can be born onto this planet and not be subject to the laws of the land where born, even if born in the middle of the jungle, you are subject to the law of the jungle. This is just a reality of our human existence much like we need a heart beat to live, air to breath, we're just born this way. Hello?
Right, no contracts, no consent, just the reality of our circumstances and conditions. As we mature and come to realize our circumstances and conditions, we begin to deal with them like adults. Well most of us do anyway.
You want to take issue with your particular circumstances and conditions, what laws exist where you were born or where you decide to live? Get in line!
Sure, join with the many others who lobby to change this condition or that, this law or that, but if most others are not so inclined, then those circumstances stand no matter how much you whine or cry or attempt to argue the ridiculous about what doesn't apply to you if you don't consent.
What's next, you shouldn't be required to feed yourself, because you never consented to the need for food in order to live?
Your problem(s) need to be taken up with your God, not government, not people.
You are confusing the tenets of social constructs (no drinking until age X, red means stop universally) with the laws of nature (H20 is water, E = mc squared).
And then there's the issue of free will. If I choose not to feed myself, am I allowed to cease such action? Do I own my body? If both of us agree to a duel to the death can a third party intervene and stop it?
"Get in line" is not a mantra a rational human would embrace. Maturity, to me, is treating each individual with respect and to not commit acts of aggression against them. Violence is immature...not a byproduct of law & order.
Like most statists, I'm pretty sure you don't mean to condone violence...you just don't understand the logical inconsistencies in your thinking.
You were pondering some questions regarding it in that earlier post that appeared to me you may be rethinking it.
No worries. I still have hope for you ChiGeekGuest.
But that's probably because I see you as an individual whereas you still see me as part of a herd to be managed...occasionally rewarded and occasionally exploited.
Of course I ponder each & every post I read here. I've come to know you (here) as an individual who doesn't believe in the social contract. No more, no less.
Questions re: the social contract change the conversation. The OP worded it as 'diametrically opposed'. He or she is probably correct in wording it that way if the question revolves around the social contract.
Why a gigantic myth. There is little substantive difference between the two sides.
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