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Old 06-29-2008, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Wilmington, NC
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what the hell is hate speech? thought we had freedom of speech in this country, or did I read that part wrong?
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Old 06-29-2008, 10:43 AM
 
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Nothing wrong with gay marriage.

It's just the only place that bigots can play these days, since the laws that prohibit hate speech do not protect gays the way those laws protect blacks, women, minorities, the aged, religion and nationality from hate speech.

Until the law is widened to protect gays from hate speech and acts of hate, we will hear how wrong it is, etc. All this crap coming from the mouths of Dobson, Robertson, the late Jerry Falwell, etc, is done SOLELY to raise money from gullible, bigoted people.

Historical parallel: There used to be LAWS in our nation prohibiting inter-racial marriage. Those laws were swept away decades ago, and once they were that form of bigotry ended. Bigotry against gays is about the last form of bigotry left to close down.
Yes, but I wonder if that will ever come about in our lifetime. It seems as though the anti-gay sentiment will take generations to finally subside.
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Old 06-29-2008, 10:43 AM
 
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what the hell is hate speech? thought we had freedom of speech in this country, or did I read that part wrong?
Okay, act a moron and go paint a swastika on a synagogue or a black congregation's church and YOU will find out all about the laws on hate speech / acts and exactly what sort of "speech" you are NOT free to engage in.

BTW, "freedom of speech" is the constitutional right to criticize the government.
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Old 06-29-2008, 02:41 PM
 
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It has already been mentioned here before, but to those who have trouble absorbing information... marriage is not a "right."
Actually, yes, marriage is defined as a right. And at a few of us have cited Loving vs. Virginia again and again. What is your argument against the court case, since it defines marriage as a right?
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Old 06-29-2008, 10:32 PM
 
Location: CNJ/NYC
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It has already been mentioned here before, but to those who have trouble absorbing information... marriage is not a "right."
It sure is, according to the SCOTUS.
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Old 06-29-2008, 10:33 PM
 
Location: CNJ/NYC
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what the hell is hate speech? thought we had freedom of speech in this country, or did I read that part wrong?
We do not have 100% freedom of speech. Look it up.
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Old 06-29-2008, 10:46 PM
 
Location: Beaumont, Texas
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An old friend talked me out of being oppsed to Civil Unions with a solid arguement. Someone on another thread brought up the wording in the Loving v. case - so now I would have to legally say okay to GM (As long as the churches were protected from being sued for not wanting to perform them. Not doing so would seem to trample someone else's rights in order to benefit others'.) And just because (morally) I oppose GM - it doesn't make me a homophobe.
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Old 06-29-2008, 11:22 PM
 
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I think a line has to be drawn somewhere. For me it is where we all have to redefine the institution of marriage. Homosexuality isn't evil, but it is an ALTERNATIVE lifestyle. There are consequences to living in an alternative fashion.

I just can't see how I can explain to my 5 year old that it doesn't matter a bit whether she marries a man or a woman. That it's no more of an issue than if she likes chocolate or vanilla. By passing this law, that is exactly what the government is conveying.

I'd love her all the same if she is gay, but I'd prefer if she wasn't. I'd prefer she grows up accepting people's differences but recognizing that the conventional marriage consists of a man and a woman.

In most ways, I'm fairly open-minded but this is going too far in my opinion.
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Old 06-30-2008, 01:09 AM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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It sure is, according to the SCOTUS.
The subject has been mentioned before. Marriage is a privilege, not a right.
Those who wish to marry must be certain qualifications, such as being old enough. One must also apply for a marriage permit, just like as with a driver's license. Driving a car is not a right, and neither is marriage.
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Old 06-30-2008, 06:31 AM
 
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The subject has been mentioned before. Marriage is a privilege, not a right.
Those who wish to marry must be certain qualifications, such as being old enough. One must also apply for a marriage permit, just like as with a driver's license. Driving a car is not a right, and neither is marriage.
Yes, it comes with qualifications (like most everything?). But Loving vs. Virginia defines it as one of the "basic rights of man." Whether you personally agree or disagree doesn't change the fact that it is a court decision that has not yet been overturned. I don't really see it being overturned, either.
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