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Well, now that's a reasonable argument. I often find that this is rarely the argument, or if it is, it's replaced by a totality of conservative ideology. You seem to be suggesting that you don't really care if a transgendered person can use the bathroom they feel most comfortable in, but are concerned by the vagueness of allowing this, which opens up a door for possible abuse. Rather or not these abuses are happening and to what extreme (many take this right up to a 10 saying rape is bound to increase, though this remains to not be the case in any state that allows for these new policies), to argue that they exist and should be resolved in reasonable while also acknowledging the issue of trans rights. Because regardless of what you think of transgendered people, it's impossible to deny that they exist and they aren't just making things up. It's not a conscious choice to be a transgender. Some present it as if it is. Often, they are arguing against the transgendered bathroom policies in such a rigid way that it can't be hard to see why so many reject the conservative argument on this.
Based on what, exactly? What's the actual legal definition of transgender? Because schools are being forced by Obama to let those with penises and testicles "calling themselves" "transgender" change and shower with MINOR girls in school multiple occupancy locker and shower rooms.
No, part of your post said, "it's according to sane people..."
Right, sane people of all political stripes have objections, concerns, and reservations about this, not just a fringe minority of nut jobs on the political right.
Well, now that's a reasonable argument. I often find that this is rarely the argument, or if it is, it's replaced by a totality of conservative ideology. You seem to be suggesting that you don't really care if a transgendered person can use the bathroom they feel most comfortable in, but are concerned by the vagueness of allowing this, which opens up a door for possible abuse. Rather or not these abuses are happening and to what extreme (many take this right up to a 10 saying rape is bound to increase, though this remains to not be the case in any state that allows for these new policies), to argue that they exist and should be resolved in reasonable while also acknowledging the issue of trans rights. Because regardless of what you think of transgendered people, it's impossible to deny that they exist and they aren't just making things up. It's not a conscious choice to be a transgender. Some present it as if it is. Often, they are arguing against the transgendered bathroom policies in such a rigid way that it can't be hard to see why so many reject the conservative argument on this.
You are correct...
I don't have a problem with actual transgender people being allowed to use the restroom of the gender they indentify with, though that does still present it's own issues. But the problem is those who argue for this, basically place zero qualifications on what it is to be transgender, which undoubtedly opens the door for people to abuse and hide behind what is otherwise a good intended policy, and they want these policies extended in to extra sensitive places like middle school facilties.
If we're going to allow a grown man for instance, to use a restroom with young girls, I don't think it's too much to ask that they establish proof of some sort that they legitimately are transgenderred.
regardless of what you think of transgendered people, it's impossible to deny that they exist and they aren't just making things up
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent
Based on what, exactly? What's the actual legal definition of transgender? Because schools are being forced by Obama to let those with penises and testicles "calling themselves" "transgender" change and shower with MINOR girls in school multiple occupancy locker and shower rooms.
I can't think of any reason why someone would choose to be tranmsgenderred and open themselves up to discrimination, ostracization, and alienation, can you?
What a novel concept! Schools taking a cue from listening to their students.
Yes, by all means--let's have fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, and seventeen year-olds craft school policy rather than parents, teachers, and school administrators. I suppose in your house the five year-old runs your family's schedule and decides meal plans.
Right, sane people of all political stripes have objections, concerns, and reservations about this, not just a fringe minority of nut jobs on the political right.
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