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Old 05-12-2016, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Secure Bunker
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Right now it doesn't. We will get there. As soon as we can get rid of the war mongers.

LOL! Wars aren't the obstacle that is preventing 'free education'. Common sense is.
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Old 05-12-2016, 10:21 AM
 
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LOL! Wars aren't the obstacle that is preventing 'free education'. Common sense is.
Odd that out of the two you pick education as the non nonsensical one.
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Old 05-12-2016, 10:23 AM
 
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Speaking of free education - there's plenty of sources that are free, from MIT, Harvard, Khan Academy and various other major universities and think tanks. They also offer certificates for completion of certain courses.
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Old 05-12-2016, 10:26 AM
 
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LOL! Wars aren't the obstacle that is preventing 'free education'. Common sense is.
Making college "free" is not common sense. It is an emotional reaction void of logic.

"Free" college would be a waste of tax dollars as it takes seats from serious students.

What we need are more trade oriented high school courses and more emphasis on careers and not college prep.
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Old 05-12-2016, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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A government supported education system from Kindergarten to Bachelor degree benefits society by providing people needed by the existing society while relieving employers of the need to train their bureaucrats. It also allows less affluent people to become more productive citizens without having to mortgage themselves under pain of being imprisoned.


Along with these state supported students would be state mandated cost controls on both the physical and intellectual aspects of the education. State schools would not be allowed to have either Temples to Basketball or administrators making million dollar salaries. Even if they are a successful football coach.
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Old 05-12-2016, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Paying for education is an investment in the future. A far better investment than paying to send young people to die in some god-forsaken desert, or jungle.

It is pretty much that simple.
I'm not sure that's a very cogent argument. The concept of free college ought to stand (or fall) on its own merits, not as some sort of runner-up concept.
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Old 05-12-2016, 10:42 AM
 
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I don't think state colleges should be totally free, but something must be done
to bring down the cost of college, especially the so-called upper crust universities.

Lowering the personal cost of state-run colleges would put pressure on private
ones to lower their insane tuition fees. Why is that a public matter ?
Because they get tax breaks. These private universities are getting massive
tax breaks. I don't know how bad that situation is everywhere, but in Providence
they are the largest landowners and pay no property tax.
Worth reading: The Rich University: The Mother of all Tax Breaks | The Fiscal Times
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Old 05-12-2016, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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College kids paying for school and when you go there it's a big party 24/7. Talking about education and I am grateful for my free high school I have been in countries where's that's not free and many would love to have the learning. Free or paid some are fools others take advantage and run with it, but many could do better if affordable or free
This general issue is actually a rather important issue to me in the whole discussion of free college.

One might be able to convince me about the concept of free college (although I doubt it), but I certainly don't want to be paying for attendance for eventual drop-outs and flunk-outs.

As I understand it, only about a third of those entering a 4 year college actually graduate. It would be like paying for your groceries, and then when you get home finding out that the bagger only gave you a third of what you purchased.
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Old 05-12-2016, 10:47 AM
 
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A government supported education system from Kindergarten to Bachelor degree benefits society by providing people needed by the existing society while relieving employers of the need to train their bureaucrats. It also allows less affluent people to become more productive citizens without having to mortgage themselves under pain of being imprisoned.


Along with these state supported students would be state mandated cost controls on both the physical and intellectual aspects of the education. State schools would not be allowed to have either Temples to Basketball or administrators making million dollar salaries. Even if they are a successful football coach.
ROFLMAO. This idea that a bachelor degree automatically makes a person more productive or more important to society is a joke. Most people only need a fairly basic education in order to place them in a position to be successful in life and a value to society which is why society should provide education to a point.

As far as "mortgaging" further education, that mortgage is so high due to these resort style campuses with out of control spending.

People need to pay for their own college.
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Old 05-12-2016, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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Maybe would not have to spend so much in prisons. No complaints there
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