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And therein lies the problem! The archaic, backward mentality of thinking that healthcare, in this modern day and age, is "compensation," and that one's access to it should depend on whoever your employer is.
NO. An individual's life and health is sacrosanct. It is the most important thing in a person's life. To say that your access to healthcare should have any dependence on who your employer is, and what benefits that they provide is utterly preposterous. Maybe when we were living in the dark ages and didn't have the knowledge and institutions we do now, but there's no excuse anymore.
Uh oh, hold up and slow down! You are starting to make sense here in PaoC, and we just cant have that.
People in the military get education benefits and healthcare benefits that non-military members do not. I believe that people who serve in the military deserve all of the benefits that they get and more besides. But why should a person who has not served and will not serve in the military, either because he is not qualified, or because he does not wish to, not have access to the same benefits that people in the military receive? On what grounds can it be justified...
Officially qualifies as the most ridiculous thread of the day
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Originally Posted by T-310
You have the right to health care. You do not have the right to make me pay for it.
Stop making sense, these people believe money is printed so it must be free.
There actually may be some truth to the fluoride theory
As I said, you want "free" stuff as long as someone else pays for it.
You have the right to health care. You don't have the right to make me pay for it.
Well, I have the right to live in a nation that is secure, and a community that is safe. Do I have the right to make you pay for the military and the police that make this possible? Regardless of what your answer is, you are paying for it. And so am I. And I am reasonably certain that the whole basis of government and taxation is "making people pay for things."
What does the military and the police have in common with healthcare? All ultimately come down to self-preservation. We have decided to "make everyone pay" for the military and the police because the desire and need for self-preservation and safety exists in all rational individuals. So if it's something that everyone needs, why shouldn't everyone pay, just like we do with the military and the police? Nobody, save for anarchists, would say that there should be competing militaries and police forces that provide their private services to whoever wants to pay for it. Such a system has not worked in any known civilization, and it is safe to say it will not work. How would you feel if the police refused to answer your call because you forgot to pay them that month for their services, and they sent you a bill for $10,000, but the neighbor across the street who had a "police insurance plan" was given no-charge service? That's exactly how it is for healthcare right now. I say it is just as absurd for healthcare to not be funded by taxation and provided to all citizens equally as it would be for police to not be funded by taxation and provided for all citizens equally - both involve the universal human desire for self-preservation and security, one from disease/injury and the other from crime.
Lesson number 1: You are living in a real world, not an ideal world. In an ideal world, everything is free because there is no competition, there is no power struggle. In a real world, everything is earned.
Lesson number 2: Don't even bother to suggest that it’s okay for the nation to renege
on the promises made to the men and women, the 1 percent of our population, who, at any one time, have fought our wars.
. Somehow they seem to think that the place to solve our national financial problems is on the shoulders of those who serve in
uniform. Military men and women have lived up to their end of the contract and have performed. Changing the backend of that contract after the front end has been delivered is reprehensible.
Well, I have the right to live in a nation that is secure, and a community that is safe. Do I have the right to make you pay for the military and the police that make this possible? Regardless of what your answer is, you are paying for it. And so am I. And I am reasonably certain that the whole basis of government and taxation is "making people pay for things."
What does the military and the police have in common with healthcare? All ultimately come down to self-preservation. We have decided to "make everyone pay" for the military and the police because the desire and need for self-preservation and safety exists in all rational individuals. So if it's something that everyone needs, why shouldn't everyone pay, just like we do with the military and the police? Nobody, save for anarchists, would say that there should be competing militaries and police forces that provide their private services to whoever wants to pay for it. Such a system has not worked in any known civilization, and it is safe to say it will not work. How would you feel if the police refused to answer your call because you forgot to pay them that month for their services, and they sent you a bill for $10,000, but the neighbor across the street who had a "police insurance plan" was given no-charge service? That's exactly how it is for healthcare right now. I say it is just as absurd for healthcare to not be funded by taxation and provided to all citizens equally as it would be for police to not be funded by taxation and provided for all citizens equally - both involve the universal human desire for self-preservation and security, one from disease/injury and the other from crime.
These are known as "public goods", meaning that everyone pays for them whether they want them or not.
Well, I have the right to live in a nation that is secure, and a community that is safe. Do I have the right to make you pay for the military and the police that make this possible? Regardless of what your answer is, you are paying for it. And so am I. And I am reasonably certain that the whole basis of government and taxation is "making people pay for things."
I highly doubt you're paying for much of anything. The fact that you can't differentiate between earning something and wanting something (envy is a deadly sin) tells me all I need to know about where you are coming from.
Lesson number 1: You are living in a real world, not an ideal world. In an ideal world, everything is free because there is no competition, there is no power struggle. In a real world, everything is earned.
Lesson number 2: Don't even bother to suggest that it’s okay for the nation to renege
on the promises made to the men and women, the 1 percent of our population, who, at any one time, have fought our wars.
. Somehow they seem to think that the place to solve our national financial problems is on the shoulders of those who serve in
uniform. Military men and women have lived up to their end of the contract and have performed. Changing the backend of that contract after the front end has been delivered is reprehensible.
I have never stated that the military should not get the benefits that it does right now. All I am saying is that everyone should get the same benefits as the military does. A Canadian civilian has healthcare and education benefits. So does a member of the Canadian military. Is Canada a failed state, is it going bankrupt? Is the military pissed that the civilians are getting the same benefits as they are?
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