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Old 05-17-2016, 11:28 PM
 
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The concrete for the wall would be about $10 billion, assuming we are to build it for a full 2000 miles. The wall itself couldn't just be concrete either, you'd need some sort of steel frame. So that's another $5 billion at least. Not to mention that not all places along the border are necessarily accessible, so roads to get supplies and building equipment to the location will need to be built, which will cost at least $2 billion. This doesn't factor in land the government would have to purchase nor maintenance costs, which a report said that the wall would exceed the initial building costs within 7 years due to maintenance alone.

The wall is too expensive to justify. There are surely more cost effective ways to deal with this than build a wall.
There are. The wall is a idiotic idea for voters with poor comprehension of reality.

Better solutions:
Enforce employment verification for ALL employers-and make REAL penalties for those employing illegals knowingly. jail time, and major fees. Make the fine equal to the difference in costs between what was paid to the illegal, and the average income of a working us citizen.
Make laws about only renting or selling property to us citizens.

Problem solved.
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Old 05-18-2016, 01:05 AM
 
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Apparently you should stop drinking, or seek medical attention.

Here-FACTS for you. I suspect you dont even know what PPP is, or even GDP. So lets try a simple calculation ok?

in 1952 the census estimated we had roughly 41 million families. Median income was about 4K for a household. Thats 36,000/year adjusted for inflation.

2016? A tad under 54,000/year.

Huh. Someone has no idea what they are talking about. Its not me. Do you even know what FRED is?

Do you understand why I used median instead of average? (hint-the average number would make median households look even better off today. Do you know why?)
this holds absolutely ZERO relevance to the part I responded, to, in fact, it actually dsiputes the rest of your babble about wealth inequality being a huge issue
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Old 05-18-2016, 01:07 AM
 
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There are. The wall is a idiotic idea for voters with poor comprehension of reality.

Better solutions:
Enforce employment verification for ALL employers-and make REAL penalties for those employing illegals knowingly. jail time, and major fees. Make the fine equal to the difference in costs between what was paid to the illegal, and the average income of a working us citizen.
Make laws about only renting or selling property to us citizens.

Problem solved.
The walls an idiotic idea except for when you want to build one for security.. You know, like around the White House etc..

What part of your plan deals with crap like anchor babies? ooh thats right.. its just another liberal FAILURE..
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Old 05-18-2016, 01:08 AM
 
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The concrete for the wall would be about $10 billion, assuming we are to build it for a full 2000 miles. The wall itself couldn't just be concrete either, you'd need some sort of steel frame. So that's another $5 billion at least. Not to mention that not all places along the border are necessarily accessible, so roads to get supplies and building equipment to the location will need to be built, which will cost at least $2 billion. This doesn't factor in land the government would have to purchase nor maintenance costs, which a report said that the wall would exceed the initial building costs within 7 years due to maintenance alone.

The wall is too expensive to justify. There are surely more cost effective ways to deal with this than build a wall.
mmmm, so lets just grab your made up figures and pretend they are true, shall we?

10 billion, + 5 billion, + 2 billion, is FAR LESS than the $100 billion a YEAR we currently spend paying for the illegals..
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Old 05-18-2016, 01:19 AM
 
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Our economy is a failure. We borrow money to consume products manufactured abroad. Almost all the wealth in the United States was created decades ago when we had a real economy.


Our criminal justice system is a failure. It's a big money making scheme, many players involved.


Our education system is a failure. It's a disguised form a daycare for kids age 5-30.


Do I even need to discuss our failed political system? Of course a system is going to fail when we let people on welfare have the same vote as people who produce for society.

We pretty much sealed the joke label when Donald Trump is the presumptive nominee.

Not even being the world's best economy can we live that one down.
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Old 05-18-2016, 01:21 AM
 
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We pretty much sealed the joke label when Donald Trump is the presumptive nominee.

Not even being the world's best economy can we live that one down.
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We could pass bills in order to find out whats in them, or even create policies which focus upon welfare stimulating economies..

But then no ones that dam stupid.. oh wait...
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Old 05-18-2016, 01:31 AM
 
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We could pass bills in order to find out whats in them, or even create policies which focus upon welfare stimulating economies..

But then no ones that dam stupid.. oh wait...

Unemployment months after the Republicans crashed the economy: 10%

Unemployment now: 5%.

It must suck when facts are disagreeing with you.
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Old 05-18-2016, 01:32 AM
 
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this holds absolutely ZERO relevance to the part I responded, to, in fact, it actually dsiputes the rest of your babble about wealth inequality being a huge issue
read the part about median vs average. I honestly dont know why I bother.

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The walls an idiotic idea except for when you want to build one for security.. You know, like around the White House etc..

What part of your plan deals with crap like anchor babies? ooh thats right.. its just another liberal FAILURE..
Especially with nonsense like this.

"anchor babies" are in fact American citizens. IE NOT illegal aliens. Now their parents on the other hand, being unable to work, or rent...will probably go home and take their child with them. GASP.

Where does the wall deal with them? Oh right. it doesn't.

And not allowing illegals to work or rent, somehow....thats a liberal idea? Alrighty then!

Any other nonsense?
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Old 05-18-2016, 02:45 AM
 
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The concrete for the wall would be about $10 billion, assuming we are to build it for a full 2000 miles. The wall itself couldn't just be concrete either, you'd need some sort of steel frame. So that's another $5 billion at least. Not to mention that not all places along the border are necessarily accessible, so roads to get supplies and building equipment to the location will need to be built, which will cost at least $2 billion. This doesn't factor in land the government would have to purchase nor maintenance costs, which a report said that the wall would exceed the initial building costs within 7 years due to maintenance alone.

The wall is too expensive to justify. There are surely more cost effective ways to deal with this than build a wall.
What report are you referring to
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Old 05-18-2016, 02:46 AM
 
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mmmm, so lets just grab your made up figures and pretend they are true, shall we?

10 billion, + 5 billion, + 2 billion, is FAR LESS than the $100 billion a YEAR we currently spend paying for the illegals..
Boom! It's between 100 and 200 billion a year. We have spent trillions on illegals
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