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Fact is they wouldn't be here if both parties weren't complicit with the situation.
Dems want them here for the increased voting base and the self righteous warm, fuzzy "we are the world" feeling it gives them.
Republicans want them here for the cheap labor.
Two sides of the same coin.....but Americans lose the coin toss no matter which side comes up.
It matters because I want to know if the Republicans who are anti-illegal are also right-wing socialists who are fighting an issue that was created by right-wing capitalists to begin with.
If you go onto FOX News' Facebook page, it's clear that most right-wingers blame liberals for the illegal immigration issue, but if liberals make up few of the "job creators" in this country, then they have very little to do with the illegal immigration presence in this country to begin with.
No matter how many "warm fuzzies" a liberal has towards an illegal immigrant, that doesn't pay an illegal immigrant's bills. They still need to find a job with a right-wing employer.
the Democrats seem to have a somewhat larger internationalist/humanitarian bent to their policies. That even comes across in foreign policy discussions regarding Syrian refugees, Rwandan genocide victims, and Kosovar victims of Serbian attacks.
What Democrats have recognized is it is a vote getter. That is why they ignore that their policies harm low skilled Americans.
Ask anyone who's tries to seek work in these type of jobs lately.
There are employers out there who are interviewing tons of people that they have absolutely no intention of hiring, so they can CYA and claim they can't find suitable American workers to fill the jobs before hiring H1B immigrants for half the salary.
Wonder how the white collar crowd likes getting shafted the way the blue collar folks have been for decades?
Why don't the Americans just reduce their salary expectations accordingly, then?
It sounds like Americans want Trump and the government to force employers to hire them at a higher price than what the free market wants to provide. IE: socialism.
As we all have seen, Trump is a bigger flip flopper than LeBron James.
There is absolutely no way in hell he would, if elected president, deport ALL illegals.
He says these incendiary things to appeal to the extreme right crowd, yet that's only for show and self promotion.
He's already talked about backing off of his previous bold statements.
I don't think any president would want to touch this issue with a 20 foot pole, that's why the issue keeps getting worse and repeating itself. I mean, didn't the U.S. give amnesty to millions of illegals in the 80's? Yet here we are and the same issue yet again and even worse.
What Democrats have recognized is it is a vote getter. That is why they ignore that their policies harm low skilled Americans.
I agree that Democrat sanctuary cities and other pro-amnesty beliefs that the Democrats hold do hurt low-skill Americans' wages in the free market, but I seriously wonder what the net impact of Democrat immigration policy is on poor Americans when you factor in all the pro-SNAP, pro-ACA, pro-Medicare, pro-Medicaid policies the Democrats also espouse.
In other words, if an illegal comes to the US and "steals" a job from a low-income American (most of whom are Democrats to begin with), but then has a birthright "anchor" baby in the country, and that child becomes a Democrat too (statistically proven to be the usual case), and both the low-income Democrat American and the low-income anchor baby Democrat American vote for pro-SNAP, pro-ACA policies...what is the end result here?
It matters because I want to know if the Republicans who are anti-illegal are also right-wing socialists who are fighting an issue that was created by right-wing capitalists to begin with.
If you go onto FOX News' Facebook page, it's clear that most right-wingers blame liberals for the illegal immigration issue, but if liberals make up few of the "job creators" in this country, then they have very little to do with the illegal immigration presence in this country to begin with.
No matter how many "warm fuzzies" a liberal has towards an illegal immigrant, that doesn't pay an illegal immigrant's bills. They still need to find a job with a right-wing employer.
Because liberals are quite vocal about their support for illegals and the sentiment is held by both liberal politicians and liberal voters, who love to use them as a wedge issue and claim anyone who is against illegal immigration is just racist.
On the right however, most of the support happens by politicians behind the scenes, while paying lip service to their constituents, who are by and large, all for stricter immigration enforcement.
Liberals wear it on their sleeves, so they bring the criticism on themselves.
You know, I've been listening to this "jobs Americans won't do" nonsense for years now.
It's absolute drivel....the ultimate straw man argument.
Why? Because illegals aren't just fruit pickers and ditch diggers anymore and they haven't been for the last thirty years or so.
At one time, you could make this argument.....but that time has long since past.
Illegals have all but taken over the construction trades in many cities.
Go to just about any job site in many cities and take a look at the Carpenters, Roofers, Painters, Masons, Drywall and Concrete crews.
These are jobs that, at one time were the vocations of choice for many Americans who, either did not want to or could not afford to go to college. It was a way to still be paid a fair wage, raise a family and live the American dream.
Now.... They are almost all Hispanic workers.
And before you ask...."how do you know they're illegal"?
The answer is ....I work with them, I talk to them and I've even had some over for dinner.
They are no longer afraid to admit they're illegal, they come right out and tell you exactly why they are here, how they got here etc.
So, can we please finally dispel this myth once and for all?
Illegals are taking jobs that could be, should be and used to be done by American workers.
Anyone who refuses to acknowledge that is either grossly misinformed or intentionally being misleading to further an agenda.
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I too work in construction management and I see illegals on job sites every day and they ain't earning minimum wage either.
I know of a number who earn in excess of $20/hour and one I know is darn close to $30/hour.
I don't know of anyone that is less than $12 and this is the poor rural south nor California or New York.
As far as work Americans won't do Americans will do any work IF they get hungry and desperate enough but why work when you can get free housing, food and medical?
Work in fields is hard but I have a feeling many here would do it.
Would you pick lettuce in the hot son for $10/hour? Probably not but what about $1,000/hour? Yeah, $1,000/hour would probably even entice some CD types to go work in the hot sun so the answer is somewhere between $10 and $1,000.
It is called a free market but what we have right now isn't a free market.
Farm labor costs are typically less than a third of farm revenue for fresh fruits and vegetables, meaning that farm worker wages and benefits for fresh fruits and vegetables cost the average household $38 a year.
Consumers who pay $1 for a pound of apples are giving 30 cents to the farmer and 10 cents to the farm worker; those spending $2 for a head of lettuce are giving 50 cents to the farmer and 16 cents to the farm worker.
With the current average farm worker wage of $10.80 if we tripled the farm labor wage to $32.40/hour three things would happen; lots of Americans would be looking for a job, the price of a head of lettuce would go up by $0.32 from $2.00 to $2.32 and unemployment would drop to 2%..
Because liberals are quite vocal about their support for illegals and the sentiment is held by both liberal politicians and liberal voters, who love to use them as a wedge issue and claim anyone who is against illegal immigration is just racist.
On the right however, most of the support happens by politicians behind the scenes, while paying lip service to their constituents, who are by and large, all for stricter immigration enforcement.
Liberals wear it on their sleeves, so they bring the criticism on themselves.
But how does vocal support for illegal immigration actually pay illegal immigrants any wages if Republicans are the primary people paying those wages?
I am very sympathetic to illegals but I haven't hired any illegals. So even if I dont' want to deport them, I also offer no incentive to an illegal to come to the US to begin with because I don't run a business.
Point is, I really think the illegal immigration issue is almost entirely the fault of right-wing business people.
No right wing business people, no illegals. Liberal sympathies for illegals comes way after that starting off point.
Why don't the Americans just reduce their salary expectations accordingly, then?
It sounds like Americans want Trump and the government to force employers to hire them at a higher price than what the free market wants to provide. IE: socialism.
Why should they have to?
Imported cheap labor of any kind shouldn't be a factor in the free market.
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