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Oh geez, where do I even begin? There is no hatred of illegals but objection to illegal immigration. The question is why don't liberals feel the same? It's against the law! There is no reason to round up an deport illegal aliens just enforce the laws on the books which means deporting them as they are found not giving them stays of deportation instead. Remove all of the incentives for them to remain here and many will self-deport. No costs involved with that. They cost us $113 billion a year in taxes yet you people cry about the costs of deportation? Where is the stupidity and ignorance in taking steps to rid our country of illegal aliens?
I have no problem with increasing the minimum wage but what good will it do as long as these greedy employers have access to cheap, illegal workers instead?
Do you think that 'liberals' actively support illegal immigration?
Amnesty isn't even a new idea... in fact, the great liberal leader George W. Bush had a similar idea:
What effect do you think amnesty is going to have on the $113 billion in unpaid taxes, considering the whole point is to make them legal citizens who have to pay taxes and compete with other legal workers?
By 'removing the incentives' do you mean eliminating certain industries? Because every other option has already been tried, usually at great cost and with little to no success.
"Steel Head Right Wingers" simply can't digest anything that does not feed bigotry, and the old Confederate Antebellum Madness. They have a serious mind block when it comes to civility. The hoard the world mentality is so ingrained, they can't see anything beyond the pursuit of such.
Being AGAINST illegal aliens ain't being uncivil. NO country allows that kind of stuff.
The premise or possibility of Trump or anyone deporting 11 million undocumented persons in 2 years (as he's said) is extremely far fetched, would be extremely costly (something in the neighborhood of $100-200 billion, at the very least, if not more), runs up against many legal and logistical obstacles, and would negatively impact the economy.
So to all you nativists who get a knobby over the prospect of this - Trump is duping you on this. He's writing checks his or your a** can't cash, and you're gonna get disappointed.
Def time to test your opinion here about Trump about what he will or won't do.
Actually they benefit almost everyone who bought a new home in the last generation.
Ummm...nope.
We bought our current home in 1997 and it was new construction. All the construction workers were American citizens. Many who lived in WV would come to the DC Metro area and live in campgrounds, moving every 3 weeks, as local campgrounds had 3 week limits. Gradually, all that changed and now you rarely see Americans working in construction around here. I often wonder how those men who came here from WV are getting by these days.
Also, with so many illegals building homes, the construction is often very shoddy. That doesn't benefit anyone. Do you really think that using illegals makes the price of of new homes go down? Think again---around here, the prices just keep climbing.
All the rednecks, back woods types and urban racist of the Republican and Confederate make up, maybe you should dismantle your home and remove every nail that was hammered by Illegal Immigrant hands, strip the drywall and remove all the moldings and while you are at it , dig up the lawn, and start washing your own dishes at the eateries you frequent, and make sure to bring your own bed sheet and clean your own hotel rooms.
When you finish, head up to any massive farm and grow and pick your own fruit and vegetables, and by goodness, clean your own homes and baby sit your own kids.
The Housing boom across America was built by many illegal immigrant hands, so lest torch those communities and hire white people for the manual labor. Let's see how well that works. Not only would everything result to be over priced, it may take forever to get it built.
Here in the South, whenever there is a construction project to be built by white hands, not only is it slow in construction development, it goes over budget and corners are cut, but also cheaper quality products are "then" used. This is simply the American system. Bid are put in counting on underpaid illegals and underpaid minorities, but when white men go into the construction job, its over paid and limited work which prolongs the project far beyond it planned completion date. The cost skyrockets an we will have a glut of properties at some point unable to be sold.
It's sad in the over-all but American people made it that way. With unfair habits, practices and unfair pay.
Explain that !!!! ????
No one is advocating for more Illegals, but ask yourself who set the tone and created the means to attract them to come to America? It certainly was not the working poor. It was investors, developers and small factories and urban style farming and other things, which "opened the door", that door remained open as long as white people could profit and gain.
When they realized Illegals saved their money, bought homes and gained political power, and white peoples wages became stagnant, then and only then did the outcry about illegals go from a wisper to a scream. Whole area of some cities were bought up by 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants, and now people are anguished because their population of 2nd and 3rd and 4th generation has expanded and they are legal because many were born here.
This is the result when middle and upper class division white american try and use other people over a long span of time, it happen with industry when white america thought it could get cheap labor from china and now China owns American's money and American can't function without Chinese Imports. The South and Much of the Nation fell, because of the opposition program to avoid minorities, women and dire poor whites from having opportunities to gain economic uplift and the attitude has always been, to do anything to avoid minorities, women and dire poor whites from gaining economic parity with the middle and upper class. The caste system mentality is American's problem, not illegals, this nation has never got over its lusting for free labor an trying to contain having a service class of citizens.
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If Trump becomes president, and he deports all the illegals, who is going to do the jobs they were doing? Americans don't really like farming, and bust your ass type jobs. We would have to find a way to pay Americans +$20/hr to butcher chickens, pick strawberries, assemble widgets, and perform other tedious, boring, repetitive in nature jobs. Or, just continue sending all our jobs to slave wage nations, and teaching Americans that welfare is an acceptable alternative to work.
How would that all work out? It's much easier to collect welfare than it is to devote your life to menial labor. And we are fast becoming a welfare nation. Some would say we are there already. And I don't think many Americans are going to like paying more for just about everything we buy.
I would rather see the illegals booted out, and companies forced to pay livable wages once more. But, I don't think everyone would be so happy about the outcome.
We'll just cut off all the welfare benefits to the able-bodied of working age.
They can work in the fields or starve.
And their pay will be based on their performance.
A Big Mac might cost a dollar more.
I can live with that -- especially if my taxes to pay for welfare go down.
What effect do you think amnesty is going to have on the $113 billion in unpaid taxes, considering the whole point is to make them legal citizens who have to pay taxes and compete with other legal workers?
By 'removing the incentives' do you mean eliminating certain industries? Because every other option has already been tried, usually at great cost and with little to no success.
Bleeding heart liberals want amnesty for illegal aliens. No, amnesty isn't a new an idea. It was a mistake in the past and it's a mistake now. If we deport them instead we will no longer have them sucking our taxes dry. Even if legalized they are low wage earners and will still be able to tap into our welfare coffers and will get refunds on any income taxes paid. Americans need their jobs back so how does legalizing them rectify that problem? Also they send billions back to their homelands which isn't spent in our economy.
By removing the incentives for them to remain here I mean jobs, benefits and birthright citizenship for their kids. Those are the things that keep them here and those are the things that continue to bring them here.
All the rednecks, back woods types and urban racist of the Republican and Confederate make up, maybe you should dismantle your home and remove every nail that was hammered by Illegal Immigrant hands, strip the drywall and remove all the moldings and while you are at it , dig up the lawn, and start washing your own dishes at the eateries you frequent, and make sure to bring your own bed sheet and clean your own hotel rooms.
When you finish, head up to any massive farm and grow and pick your own fruit and vegetables, and by goodness, clean your own homes and baby sit your own kids.
The Housing boom across America was built by many illegal immigrant hands, so lest torch those communities and hire white people for the manual labor. Let's see how well that works. Not only would everything result to be over priced, it may take forever to get it built.
Here in the South, whenever there is a construction project to be built by white hands, not only is it slow in construction development, it goes over budget and corners are cut, but also cheaper quality products are "then" used. This is simply the American system. Bid are put in counting on underpaid illegals and underpaid minorities, but when white men go into the construction job, its over paid and limited work which prolongs the project far beyond it planned completion date. The cost skyrockets an we will have a glut of properties at some point unable to be sold.
It's sad in the over-all but American people made it that way. With unfair habits, practices and unfair pay.
Explain that !!!! ????
No one is advocating for more Illegals, but ask yourself who set the tone and created the means to attract them to come to America? It certainly was not the working poor. It was investors, developers and small factories and urban style farming and other things, which "opened the door", that door remained open as long as white people could profit and gain.
When they realized Illegals saved their money, bought homes and gained political power, and white peoples wages became stagnant, then and only then did the outcry about illegals go from a wisper to a scream. Whole area of some cities were bought up by 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants, and now people are anguished because their population of 2nd and 3rd and 4th generation has expanded and they are legal because many were born here.
This is the result when middle and upper class division white american try and use other people over a long span of time, it happen with industry when white america thought it could get cheap labor from china and now China owns American's money and American can't function without Chinese Imports. The South and Much of the Nation fell, because of the opposition program to avoid minorities, women and dire poor whites from having opportunities to gain economic uplift and the attitude has always been, to do anything to avoid minorities, women and dire poor whites from gaining economic parity with the middle and upper class. The caste system mentality is American's problem, not illegals, this nation has never got over its lusting for free labor an trying to contain having a service class of citizens.
I haven't had one person answer this simple question yet except for "we don't care" whatever that means.
How can any reasonable person argue against deporting people who entered the country illegally?
Cost.... They will say cost.... Not realizing what they have cost us already and will continue to cost us.
If they go hard after those employing them, they will all but a few, self deport. They will leave on their own. And those that don't, a slow boat to South Mexico Central America, would send a message, to them that they will not just cross back over in the morning.
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Where is the stupidity and ignorance in taking steps to rid our country of illegal aliens?
