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The states have largely become financial and regulatory slaves to the federal government. The 10th Amendment was designed to ensure that was never the case. That "blather" you mention is absolutely correct.
What the militia-patriots fail to realize is that state governments are easier and much cheaper to corrupt than federal government. If the Bundys of this world managed to put the land they want under state control, that land would be sold off to rich investors (not the Bundy-types of this world) and be opened for resource extraction in a heartbeat. The naive farmers with rifles would be left to wonder what the eff happened.
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I can't tell you how unbelievably sad I think it is that you have completely conflated government with country. The fact that people think our government is our country is prima facie evidence that we do not have a common culture anymore. I'm not even sure it's possible to explain the difference but I'll try.
Many of the European nations have survived fascist and communist governments that tried their best to suppress their national characteristics. It didn't matter what government they had, they had a deeper sense of "country". Poland is a prime example of this. The concept of "Polish" had nothing to do with the communist government, and actually survived attempts by the government to eradicate it.
I'm not sure I can think of anything more statist than primarily defining a country by government. It suggests that the most important aspect of our culture is government.
The problem is that those judges are appointed by, and part of, the very same government that the constitution was supposed to limit. It's not too likely that the state will limit itself.
I forget the exact quote, but it's something about how it's naive to give people power and write on a piece of paper saying "limit yourself".
The problem is human nature not the judicial system.
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And that judicial system has changed the interpretation of the Constitution several times.
You mean to say it has changed the way YOU feel the constitution should be intrepreted. Given how little 21st century America resembles colonial America, that's a good thing.
I can't tell you how unbelievably sad I think it is that you have completely conflated government with country. The fact that people think our government is our country is prima facie evidence that we do not have a common culture anymore. I'm not even sure it's possible to explain the difference but I'll try.
Many of the European nations have survived fascist and communist governments that tried their best to suppress their national characteristics. It didn't matter what government they had, they had a deeper sense of "country". Poland is a prime example of this. The concept of "Polish" had nothing to do with the communist government, and actually survived attempts by the government to eradicate it.
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I'm not sure I can think of anything more statist than primarily defining a country by government. It suggests that the most important aspect of our culture is government.
Then you mustn't agree with the founding fathers when they established this country.
Then you mustn't agree with the founding fathers when they established this country.
The whole purpose of the founding fathers was to create a government that was involved with American life as little as possible.
The best thing about posting on this board is how it is how illustrative it is.of the fact that the right and left in the US see the world and the values of the country in completely different ways. There are almost no commonalities anymore at all.
What the militia-patriots fail to realize is that state governments are easier and much cheaper to corrupt than federal government. If the Bundys of this world managed to put the land they want under state control, that land would be sold off to rich investors (not the Bundy-types of this world) and be opened for resource extraction in a heartbeat. The naive farmers with rifles would be left to wonder what the eff happened.
State/Local governments are much easier to hold accountable. And there is no guarantee that state land would be sold off to "rich investors" for resource extraction. That's just speculation. And farmers are far sharper than you give them credit for.
The idea that the only way to preserve nature is by handing it all to the feds is nonsense.
The whole purpose of the founding fathers was to create a government that was involved with American life as little as possible.
The best thing about posting on this board is how it is how illustrative it is.of the fact that the right and left in the US see the world and the values of the country in completely different ways. There are almost no commonalities anymore at all.
Truth. And what it really illustrates is how incredibly illiterate the Left really is on these issues.
I agree. And the Federal govt. will have plenty of support in their attempt to exterminate seditious cells of rightwing extremism.
The penalty for treason should be execution, and all traitors should receive a fair trial by a military tribunal. Those found guilty of lesser crimes than treason should serve out their time in a Federal prison somewhere.
I know that this is your jackbooted wet dream but do you honestly think the military will comply with your wishes???
So - if they get an inflamed appendix, do they plan to stay off the grid and rough it frontier-style, or do they return to hated society to enjoy educated doctors, sterile operation rooms and anaesthesia?
Because so far in the history of humanity, no society has managed to reach the degree of organization it takes to have all of these well-trained specialists at the ready without some sort of government. "It's not a government hospital", you say - and you're right. But it's there thanks to some entity holding people responsible for their actions.
Code of Jutland, 1241.
Incidentally, in a historic perspective, we're extremely lucky to have the sort of influence we have on our governance.
Ungoverned society is a fun thought experiment, but it rests on the idea that all men would be content with what is theirs and let others enjoy the same right, and I haven't seen much of that happening.
And, as was pointed out, there are localities much less governed than the US.
By your logic I shouldn't be allowed to breathe anywhere on earth because all air has been "treated" by statist organizations via treaties/creation of agencies (EPA).
As far as I know air doesn't recognize lines on maps.
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