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I love how you all act like Muhhamad exists now. Back in the EIGHT HUNDREDS, it wasn't uncommon to marry young girls. Back in Europe pre-the twenty first century it was common to marry young girls.
Why insist on walking around with so much hatred?
maybe you should stop telling people the bold when nobody is walking around with so much hatred.
Just because arranged child marriage has been practiced in many cultures around the world does not make it acceptable behavior. Fortunately the British courts have prevented this single abomination. What can the civilized world do to prevent the rest?
On the bold, I agree but also it is disingenous to attempt to paint this as only a Muslim phenomenon. I remember that Warren Jeff's group out in AZ marries off little girls in arranged marriages according to Biblical scripture. It still happens in this country.
Just because arranged child marriage has been practiced in many cultures around the world does not make it acceptable behavior. Fortunately the British courts have prevented this single abomination. What can the civilized world do to prevent the rest?
Very reasonable post. This is the direction this thread should go First we must recognize that this is not the type of culture we would import.
Yes, every religion, country has violent dark history, But this should make us appreciate all the more the way in which, after centuries of contentious and often bloody history, our culture’s dominant faith has settled into a more benevolent and liberal form.
We can hope that Islam will do the same. But in terms of their history and doctrines, they still have a long way to go.
The point is that violence is only part of Christianity's past in the developed world. Violence is part of Christianity's present in areas of the world where violence is present.
Do I think Christianity is an inherently violent religion? Not at all. Even peaceful Buddhists commit religious-based violence when conditions are right (err...wrong):
It isn't an issue of one religion being inherently good or bad. It is an issue of people using religion (or nationalism, or any other belief system) to teach superiority and hatred. When that is accepted in a place, conditions are right for people to use violence to defend themselves from 'the other'. You're correct that in our recent history, Christianity has not been used (as much) to incite violence. But that is largely situational - violence is less acceptable as a solution to those of us raised in the present-day West than in many places around the world.
As for this case, the British court did the right thing. But those of you who think this is strictly a Muslim issue are dismissing the suffering of a lot of (non-Muslim) child brides out there because of your choice to view it as a Muslim issue.
well, "please start your own thread" is a suggestion'
Telling people" walk around with so much hatred" when there is no hatred can be slander or false accusation
Know the difference.
You really don't know when to give up, huh?
That's why I made the suggestion comment. I guess that went over your head.
As far as "slander" or "false accusations", I'll have to disagree with you. Certain people on the forum take every chance they can to attack an entire religion and pass judgement on them with this higher than thou condesendence that is really tiresome. I happen to find that hateful. What else is going out of ones way to vilify another group of people?
The point is that violence is only part of Christianity's past in the developed world. Violence is part of Christianity's present in areas of the world where violence is present.
Do I think Christianity is an inherently violent religion? Not at all. Even peaceful Buddhists commit religious-based violence when conditions are right (err...wrong):
It isn't an issue of one religion being inherently good or bad. It is an issue of people using religion (or nationalism, or any other belief system) to teach superiority and hatred. When that is accepted in a place, conditions are right for people to use violence to defend themselves from 'the other'. You're correct that in our recent history, Christianity has not been used (as much) to incite violence. But that is largely situational - violence is less acceptable as a solution to those of us raised in the present-day West than in many places around the world.
As for this case, the British court did the right thing. But those of you who think this is strictly a Muslim issue are dismissing the suffering of a lot of (non-Muslim) child brides out there because of your choice to view it as a Muslim issue.
how can you go from
every religion, country has violent dark history, But this should make us appreciate all the more the way in which, after centuries of contentious and often bloody history, our culture’s dominant faith has settled into a more benevolent and liberal form.
We can hope that Islam will do the same. But in terms of their history and doctrines, they still have a long way to go.
to
view it as a muslim issue
is beyond me. They have a long way to go, if you don't agree with this, then I guess we just have to agree to disagree.
Just because arranged child marriage has been practiced in many cultures around the world does not make it acceptable behavior. Fortunately the British courts have prevented this single abomination. What can the civilized world do to prevent the rest?
There are some incredible expat blogs written by nurses who are working in Saudi Arabia on contract.
Bedouin tribal people are increasingly migrating to urban areas for economic opportunities. When they migrate, they bring their tribal customs with them, including arranged child marriages and children born to children. The entire extended family shows for the birth, with their own food and everyone sleeps on the floor. They all wear strings tied around their waists to make overeating painful because weight is considered counterproductive to survival of the fittest.
Beds, plumbing, education, science and childhood are unknown concepts.
Who knows? In a generation or two, they will spend a month's wage at the Foot Locker and get fat eating Big Macs.
Naughty, naughty- in the PC world of today, muslims should always be allowed to do whatever they want!
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First we must recognize that this is not the type of culture we would import.
