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Old 05-23-2016, 12:14 PM
 
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Surprise, surprise. They never get any jail time. Where I live, they shot and killed a white guy who was unarmed. Guess what? They didn't serve any time for that either. It doesn't matter what color the victim is, the policeman will be acquitted every time.
Specifically, what offense(s) should this particular officer have been convicted?
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Old 05-23-2016, 12:16 PM
 
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Freddy Gray had very long history of selling drugs and they found opiates in his system after his death. I've seen no indication of levels yet. I saw at least interview with someone who knew him and they stated he was not a heroin addict.

Because of his less than responsive condition he most likely ingested whatever he was holding. The only other conclusion you can draw is he was faking it.
Speculate much?

He could have had rx opiates in his system as he was still recovering from a surgery. He was able enough to run from the cops, a short pursuit from what the records say, even if he did pop some pills to get rid of them, they don't affect you instantly.
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Old 05-23-2016, 12:51 PM
 
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Speculate much?
Everything I've speculated on fits what happened and is known.


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He could have had rx opiates in his system as he was still recovering from a surgery.
He could barely walk when they were taking him to the van, had he ingested any drugs he was holding this would explain his condition. What other reason is there for him being so lethargic? AFAIK there is no indication the injuries that killed him occurred before he was in the van.

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He was able enough to run from the cops, a short pursuit from what the records say, even if he did pop some pills to get rid of them, they don't affect you instantly.
Opiates are designed for slow release, especially the most powerful varieties like Oxycotin. However if they were crushed or it's powdered heroin the affects are going to be almost instant.
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Old 05-23-2016, 01:06 PM
 
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Surprise, surprise. They never get any jail time.
Based on what is known at most they were negligent in not strapping him in. That doesn't rise to the level of murder. These cops should be fired and the family should seek civil penalties.


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Where I live, they shot and killed a white guy who was unarmed. Guess what? They didn't serve any time for that either. It doesn't matter what color the victim is, the policeman will be acquitted every time.
There is clearly a problem with some bad police and overall the tactics many of them are now using. This knocking down the door BS is something that needs to be addressed. Obviously it's something they need to do in some circumstances, not all of them.

The sensationalizing of cases like Freddy Gray or Ferguson aren't helping things, it's counterproductive. If you want to complain about something you better pick something where there is legitimate complaint.
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Old 05-23-2016, 03:32 PM
 
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According to some of the reports I have seen on line, when previously arrested, Gray had banged his head into the wall to supposedly claim brutality.
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Old 05-23-2016, 03:35 PM
 
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There still is no clear explanation for why those two white cops arrested Gray in the first place. And 9 police officers are implicated in his death, not four. It is not as simple as two white cops arrest Gray (with no probable cause) and hand him over to two black officers who kill him. Yes, it will get ugly, but sadly, not ugly enough.
The courts disagree with you....on all counts....for now anyway....lol....
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Old 05-23-2016, 03:36 PM
 
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So... one of hundreds of white on black police incidents is not as clear cut as Walter Scotts's (do we agree that that is clear cut murder? I have to ask) shooting and people are quecing up to weigh in on how unjust it is to call these officers to task. Let's see how well that goes. The proof is always in the YouTube videos of tear gas canisters being fired into crowds of rioters...

You really want riots huh....
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Old 05-23-2016, 03:58 PM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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Based on what is known at most they were negligent in not strapping him in. That doesn't rise to the level of murder. These cops should be fired and the family should seek civil penalties.
I agree on the negligent charge for not strapping him in, but only if the cops were aware of the new law change at that time. If they weren't aware of it, hadn't read their email about it, etc., then they shouldn't be charged for it since not strapping in someone (especially one who is biting, spitting, kicking, etc.) had been the norm and not against the law.

Rawlings-Blake offered a settlement of $6.4 million last year .. long before any one of the cops had gone before a judge, and, before the family had even filed a suit against the city.
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Old 05-23-2016, 04:06 PM
 
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Good. I don't think he did anything wrong.
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Old 05-23-2016, 04:38 PM
 
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It is pretty simple. The Obama DOJ bullied two young, inexperienced and naive AA women, the Mayor and the State's Attorney to pursue this case. Like in Ferguson, there was never a case to pursue.

Beyond a reasonable doubt; has not changed over the centuries. In this country, the burden of proof is still on the prosecution. Thank God, for that.
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