Where do our rights come from? (enemy, Obama, school, slavery)

[phetaroi]

Originally Posted by FatBob96

There are certain types of atheists that never let a chance to ridicule someone else's beliefs go to waste.

There are conservatives insulting liberal/progressive beliefs every day on this forum.

[Dane_in_LA]

Originally Posted by Ferd

you are a progressive we cannot find agreement. I am never going to be willing to cede any ground to progressives...

Well, ta-ta for now, then.

[Scratch33]

Originally Posted by Ferd

and look what a mess that took.


those slaves were in deed born with preexisting rights. the inhumanity of man caused great suffering and even more blood shed to get back to some semblance of the rights that they should have recognized from the beginning...

mans refusal to accept pretexting rights, is no argument against it. in fact the entire thing further illustrates the point. We are better when we seek to insure rather than limit the rights of mankind.

I'll ask again: when is the last time a deity or nature stepped in to uphold and enforce "God-given" or "natural" human rights?

[Tyster]

Originally Posted by dv1033

Some folks think without the bible or whatever, we would have no rules.

But I agree, rights come from ourselves, humans not some diety.

That's not really what I mean. Some rights are utterly natural, not contrived by people. Call them Natural or God Given or whatever... but they aren't man made and do not require the approval of other men.

[Old Gringo]

Originally Posted by Ferd

? so the existence of tyrants negates the understanding that rights are not extended by government?


That tyranny does not delegitimize the government of the tyrant?

Be thankful you live in a tyrant free nation. And did nothing whatsoever to enjoy that liberty.

I would think you could come up with a cogent argument for rights extended from government.... since its clear that's what you believe...

Belief plays no part in it.

the above is just silly.

So, back to your angels and pins...

[Old Gringo]

Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest

So we get our rights from politicians? I have learned so much on this thread lol

You get your rights from the same laws that the politicians must adhere to.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Scratch33

I'll ask again: when is the last time a deity or nature stepped in to uphold and enforce "God-given" or "natural" human rights?

... when nature or god made Thomas Jefferson and James Madison...




it has always been the case that MEN must defend those rights or lose them. Jefferson and Madison said as much...DID as much...

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Dane_in_LA

Well, ta-ta for now, then.

.... is see you are quite comfortable using force to make people comply with your progressive perspective.


that's the issue....

[Scratch33]

Originally Posted by Ferd

... when nature or god made Thomas Jefferson and James Madison...




it has always been the case that MEN must defend those rights or lose them. Jefferson and Madison said as much...DID as much...

Hopefully you're aware that both Jefferson and Madison chose to own slaves.

[Tyster]

Originally Posted by Old Gringo

You get your rights from the same laws that the politicians must adhere to.

Do you know the difference between rights and laws? You seem very confused.