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When the Chinese government hires hackers to steal American technology, that is stealing, for sure. But China isn't a democratic country and the vast majority of Chinese workers have nothing to do with that hacking. If hacked technology goes into their products, how can you blame the Chinese worker for this? That's what Trump is doing. He's trying to economically carpet bomb an entire country based on the actions of the corrupt leaders, who literally use violence and repression to crush dissidents on a daily basis.
Even Chinese companies which do no stealing/hacking at all, like some company making clothing for Target or Walmart or Apple or Sony or Microsoft, would get smashed with Trump's tariffs.
Trump has suggested that Apple be forced to make iPhones in America. Because "China is stealing our iPhone making jobs!"
No, they did not do that. Apple found a cheaper source of labor and they went for it. That's it.
Nobodies knocking Chinese workers. You are knocking trump. You conflate 2 issues.
You just admitted your premise was wrong. Close thread and try again
As he should. Do you understand the concept of currency manipulation? I didn't think so. Do you understand the concept of 'dumping'? I didn't think so. But somehow your brain is locked into your phony definition of stealing. Pity.
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Oh geez, don't even get into state manipulated yuan under valuation. Poster doesn't understand patent rights, let alone global monetary valuation.
Nobodies knocking Chinese workers. You are knocking trump. You conflate 2 issues.
You just admitted your premise was wrong. Close thread and try again
Nobody's knocking Chinese workers? So, a 30% tariff is just going to magically do no harm against them and the Chinese companies that play things fairly?
Oh geez, don't even get into state manipulated yuan under valuation. Poster doesn't understand patent rights, let alone global monetary valuation.
If I go to work tomorrow and tell my boss I will do the same exact job for half the wage, I've guaranteed work for myself pretty much forever. But I've also friggin' halved my wage. China's currency under valuation, it can be strongly argued, steals labor value from Chinese workers and companies since they don't have the freedom to sell their labor/services at market prices.
but currency under valuation stealing jobs from Americans? No.
Nobody's knocking Chinese workers? So, a 30% tariff is just going to magically do no harm against them and the Chinese companies that play things fairly?
That's political against trump. Once again, I'm not a trump supporter. But you are using his jingoistic verbiage and reiterating it. He says it for a reason: there are multitudes of documented facts of Chinese, state sponsored acts of even omit espionage and piracy. Refute those, not political speeches.
Trying to figure out if I'm in the 1990s again. Because that was the last time I heard of anyone buying a counterfeit Chinese knockoff of anything.
And no, Trump doesn't talk about that. Unless he's been suggesting that Americans are buying hundreds of billions of dollars a year in counterfeit Chinese goods... which he hasn't.
I've provided 5 easily verifiable points of evidence to refute your economic/innovative/military espionage argument. I don't care you are anti-trump. You can't refute any because you are naive.
Think I'm done with this thread. Trolling trying to argue without facts. Should be just in argue for argue sakes forum... Modifiers, if you listen
Are you suggesting that the US government is forced to sell US treasury bonds to China because the Chinese government undervalues the yuan?
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