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Old 05-28-2016, 04:38 PM
 
Location: Houston
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No, he said the bomb was something we hoped to never use again. The mistake was war in and of itself. Not the use of the bomb itself. I get that the speech is about 24 minutes long, but you should watch it.


Also, you define FDR as a good Democrat, he was to the left of Barack Obama by a mile.
FDR was dead when the bomb was dropped. You should have some basic knowledge of a subject before debating an issue.
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Old 05-28-2016, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Critics have not even listened to his speech, he blamed Japan for it's agression and did not apologize.


The inscription on the Hiroshima monument is "We shall not repeat the evil", some are confusing that with Obama's speech, as usual don't let facts get in the way of your hatred for the president
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Old 05-28-2016, 05:23 PM
 
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Wasn't it disgusting when President Reagan apologized for the concentration camps where Japanese-Americans were held...and he actually did.
Don't forget the $20,000 checks most received. Those in Pearl Harbor have memories of their loved ones. I had an uncle there who survived, but had some issues.
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That paragraph doesn't make sense. You're blaming him for not holding them accountable for their own violence toward other countries. But you want to stop the blame game.
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Well, there comes a time -- sometime -- when you have to put things behind you. When do you suggest that is will be the case for Japan?
I could have worded it this way.

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Old 05-28-2016, 05:30 PM
 
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I'm sure the Japanese enjoyed his sermon. Baby steps to January.
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Old 05-28-2016, 05:32 PM
 
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Critics have not even listened to his speech, he blamed Japan for it's agression and did not apologize.


The inscription on the Hiroshima monument is "We shall not repeat the evil", some are confusing that with Obama's speech, as usual don't let facts get in the way of your hatred for the president
He did not blame Japan for its aggression and he did not apologize for the U.S. dropping the bombs.
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Old 05-28-2016, 06:39 PM
 
Location: SC
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Saying the first bomb was a mistake certain implies wrongdoing. If I do something I recognize later was wrong i feel sorry for it.

Let's face it he was kissing ass. No one is harmed. Fortunately we had a good Democrat for President in 1945. No college degree, but a lot of common sense.
Where do you folks get this "stuff"? President Obama never said that the bomb was a mistake.

There was only one use of any variation the word "mistake" in his speech and it was delivered in the context of "humans have the ability of learning from mistakes" further, the context of this was that WAR is a mistake. Not WWII, not the war with Japan, but all wars since the creation of man.

We must change our mind-set about war itself. To prevent conflict through diplomacy and strive to end conflicts after they've begun. To see our growing interdependence as a cause for peaceful cooperation and not violent competition. To define our nations not by our capacity to destroy but by what we build. And perhaps, above all, we must re-imagine our connection to one another as members of one human race.

For this, too, is what makes our species unique. We’re not bound by genetic code to repeat the mistakes of the past. We can learn. We can choose. We can tell our children a different story, one that describes a common humanity, one that makes war less likely and cruelty less easily accepted.


Should't you read his message yourself before you post obviously wrong conclusions about what you heard he said?
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Old 05-28-2016, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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He did not say I am sorry. He sure implied we were sorry. Will he go to Pearl Harbor on the 75th anniversary this year and denounce war?
I doubt it.

But I do think it's time for the PM of Japan to visit Pearl Harbor.
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Old 05-28-2016, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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FDR was dead when the bomb was dropped. You should have some basic knowledge of a subject before debating an issue.
Under whose presidency was it developed?
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Old 05-28-2016, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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He did not blame Japan for its aggression and he did not apologize for the U.S. dropping the bombs.


From his speech


"grew out of the same basic instinct for domination or conquest that had caused conflicts among the simplist tribes"
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Old 05-28-2016, 09:19 PM
 
Location: SoCal/PHX/HHI
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Where do you folks get this "stuff"? President Obama never said that the bomb was a mistake.

There was only one use of any variation the word "mistake" in his speech and it was delivered in the context of "humans have the ability of learning from mistakes" further, the context of this was that WAR is a mistake. Not WWII, not the war with Japan, but all wars since the creation of man.

We must change our mind-set about war itself. To prevent conflict through diplomacy and strive to end conflicts after they've begun. To see our growing interdependence as a cause for peaceful cooperation and not violent competition. To define our nations not by our capacity to destroy but by what we build. And perhaps, above all, we must re-imagine our connection to one another as members of one human race.

For this, too, is what makes our species unique. We’re not bound by genetic code to repeat the mistakes of the past. We can learn. We can choose. We can tell our children a different story, one that describes a common humanity, one that makes war less likely and cruelty less easily accepted.


Should't you read his message yourself before you post obviously wrong conclusions about what you heard he said?
It's turning into a "if we say he apologized and grovelled enough times, then it will be true" situation, as if some right wing fairy godmother will come down and make it so, lol
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