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View Poll Results: When was America at its greatest
1930s-40s 5 5.95%
1950s 38 45.24%
1960s 11 13.10%
1970s 3 3.57%
1980s 5 5.95%
1990s 10 11.90%
2000s 0 0%
2010s 12 14.29%
Voters: 84. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-29-2016, 03:02 PM
 
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If you are a white male.

The real problem with this question is while the protection of natural rights have been tending toward including all citizens those natural rights themselves are under attack.

Goldwater had voted for every civil rights act up into the CRA of 1964. This is really when civil rights acts began expanding to not just extending natural rights to oppressed populaces but began oppressing the natural rights, i.e. property rights and the right of association, of all in the name of equality.
The problem was that in his opposition to the Civil Rights Act, Goldwater was willing to ally himself with those who were most intent on oppressing natural rights. He was not by his own intent an ally of Jim Crow, and I don't know why he thought Jim Crow laws were a lesser evil than the Civil Rights Act, but that was the erroneous decision he made.
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Old 05-29-2016, 03:05 PM
 
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As for black Americans, compare the illegitimate birth rate, unwed mothers and the black crime ratio from the 1950s to today.
Or you can compare the black middle-class membership rate, rate of black home ownership, rate of black employment, rate of black high school and college education, length of black life spans from the 1950s to today.
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Old 05-29-2016, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Houston
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The problem was that in his opposition to the Civil Rights Act, Goldwater was willing to ally himself with those who were most intent on oppressing natural rights. He was not by his own intent an ally of Jim Crow, and I don't know why he thought Jim Crow laws were a lesser evil than the Civil Rights Act, but that was the erroneous decision he made.
Jim Crow laws share something in common with the CRA of 1964. They both violated property rights and the right of association. You can argue one bad turn deserved another but that is what they share in common, infringement on natural laws in order to, in the eyes of their supporters, advance a greater good.

A bit on Barry and his involvement in the civil rights movement.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3013908/posts

Ignore the last four paragraphs where it goes into stupid partisan crapola and fixate on Goldwater and civil rights. Goldwater's main objective to the CRA of 64 is he thought it was unconstitutional.

"I say further that for this great legislative body to ignore the Constitution and the fundamental concepts of our governmental system is to act in a manner which could ultimately destroy the freedom of all American citizens, including the freedoms of the very persons whose feelings and whose liberties are the major subject of this legislation."

Barry Goldwater

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Old 05-29-2016, 03:17 PM
 
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The 40's and 50's was when we were the strongest and most unified. I believe that is the most important measure.
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Old 05-29-2016, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Houston
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The 40's and 50's was when we were the strongest and most unified. I believe that is the most important measure.

How come blacks and whites were segregated if we were so unified?
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Old 05-29-2016, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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I said now. My family and friends are all still living the American Dream, "give your children a better life then you have" I think my family has been able to move from working class to middle/upper middle class in the past two generations.
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Old 05-29-2016, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia Area
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After WWII and before the assassination of President Kennedy. 1945-1963. May She Rest In Peace.


And it was a great country most of the time before then too.
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Old 05-29-2016, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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After WWII and before the assassination of President Kennedy. 1945-1963. May She Rest In Peace.


And it was a great country most of the time before then too.
You could def say that about my parents homeland of lower bucks.
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Old 05-29-2016, 04:24 PM
 
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How come blacks and whites were segregated if we were so unified?
I bet blacks were better united in many ways in those days.
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Old 05-29-2016, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Houston
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I bet blacks were better united in many ways in those days.
They did not have much choice.
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