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Old 05-29-2016, 10:33 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Nope.

Pigs are flying! We finally have something in agreement. Now that is progress.

I hate to say it, but Hillary wants to keep buying friendships at a high cost, while Trump has said they need to earn it, as we do need to earn theirs.


It is way easier to make an enemy, than the hard work it really takes to make a friend. A pay-off is faster.
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Old 05-29-2016, 11:41 PM
 
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I, for one, do not consider Turkey an "Ally" of the United States. They gave us fits over using their air space, they basically used the refugee crisis as a bargaining chip to hold Europe hostage to their demands (visa-free travel to EU), and their president has moved to nullify the Parliament's powers in a move towards checking democratic power.

We need to be more prudent in who we consider "allies". Yes, I realize the world runs on Realpolitik, not principal, but we should always know the difference between "Friends" and "Interests".

I agree. turkey is NOT a country I think we should be an ally with.
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Old 05-30-2016, 12:24 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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Turkey has complained. That is why.

Honestly, just bring them all home already. They are not going to fight to win. These special force guys are somebody else's sons too. Why are they there?
Agreed. Turkey and others can go fight the monster that in their backyard.

[while we will mow our own lawn]

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Old 05-30-2016, 10:25 AM
 
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I agree. turkey is NOT a country I think we should be an ally with.
We shouldn't be an ally with ANY country with the possible exception of Canada. And that's only for obvious reasons.
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Pigs are flying! We finally have something in agreement. Now that is progress.

I hate to say it, but Hillary wants to keep buying friendships at a high cost, while Trump has said they need to earn it, as we do need to earn theirs.


It is way easier to make an enemy, than the hard work it really takes to make a friend. A pay-off is faster.
Finally agree on something?

There was never a time that I advocated buying friends. My position has always been that the United States should remain a nation without permanent friends or allies. We don't need 'em.

So if you believe that, then we agreed all along.
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Old 05-31-2016, 07:54 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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The United States has no allies or friends, and we don't need any.
Funny stuff.
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Old 05-31-2016, 08:05 PM
 
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I, for one, do not consider Turkey an "Ally" of the United States. They gave us fits over using their air space, they basically used the refugee crisis as a bargaining chip to hold Europe hostage to their demands (visa-free travel to EU), and their president has moved to nullify the Parliament's powers in a move towards checking democratic power.
And we let them into NATO.....


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The United States has no allies or friends, and we don't need any.
If you were Trump and said that - the media would be take a &#^@ all month on you for that one.

It does seem like our "allies" take advantage of our military spending coupled with alliances so that they can spend more on their own people.
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Old 05-31-2016, 08:07 PM
 
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There was never a time that I advocated buying friends.
I am not a fan of Fraternities either.


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My position has always been that the United States should remain a nation without permanent friends or allies. We don't need 'em.
So you, on this issue, seem to be more aligned with Trump than Hillary.
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Old 05-31-2016, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Elysium
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And we let them into NATO.....
We wanted Turkey in NATO when the enemy was the Soviet Union and not the Islamic State
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Old 06-01-2016, 06:56 AM
 
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LOL @ the OP thinking this could have been a plan from the WH.
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Old 06-01-2016, 07:34 AM
 
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The United States has no allies or friends, and we don't need any.
Not exactly correct.

Exclusive: Canada's elite soldiers train Kurdish troops in fight against ISIS | CTV News

Apparently Americans disagree with you:

Chronology: Canada's involvement in the fight against ISIS - Politics - CBC News

Excerpt from above link:
"Sept. 19, 2014 — The U.S. government asks Canada for additional military support against ISIS."

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/nation...-northern-iraq
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