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Put people to work. Build more prisons. Incarcerate them for their full sentence. If they show "good behavior" in prison, give them an extra cookie at dinner.
Putting people to work is a good idea. However, we've been building prisons. We keep building them and it doesn't solve the problem. Many prisoners serve their full sentences and still re-offend.
Teen pregnancy is the other side of the coin of boys attempting to act like men in fatherless homes. Both girls and boys need the attention and structure provided by fathers.
You're not going to get the present sperm donors to stick around except for maybe a few. They have already embedded in their minds the culture of free-for-all. They have become adult teenagers.
What needs to happen, and this is going to take time, at least a generation, is the education of responsibility of parenthood and fulltime mentorship by those they can respect to a life more similar to the greater culture in a healthy and holistic way. Successful men who are good examples need to start taking charge of their communities or the ones they've come from. Outside intervention isn't going to do it and only causes resentment.
Putting people to work is a good idea. However, we've been building prisons. We keep building them and it doesn't solve the problem. Many prisoners serve their full sentences and still re-offend.
It is working, as them being caged has led us to record low national murder rates. Even Chicago is, at the worst end, at a lower per capita murder rate than NYC 1980s, and NYC today is safer in per capita murders than many toney suburbs nationally.
Put people to work. Build more prisons. Incarcerate them for their full sentence. If they show "good behavior" in prison, give them an extra cookie at dinner.
Did you ever consider the following:
1) US already has the highest number of people incarcerated IN THE WORLD. More than China (population 1.25B and India with 1B). That by itself is a shocking fact, since US is a developed democratic country.
2) That is a significant portion of the big government. I couldn't find data with the cost associated with 2M people in jail, but the figures must be astonishing. It's not only the correctional institutions, but the LE, courts, judges, lawyers. Does anyone know the total figure of the war on drugs?
3) Lawmakers in all states propose new laws on a daily base. They never calculate (or disclose) the actual cost to their constituency. My suggestion is simple: for every proposed new bill, the lawmaker must provide the TOTAL cost to the taxpayer. Including all the expenses.
Actually that was a EPA edict. It is to keep the poor from driving their gross polluting cars so far. It is supposed to save millions for Obama care on health related costs and keep 12 million tons of CO2 out of the atmosphere.
They have studies to prove it.
Uh; even here in "rural" Bullhead City, there ain't a whole lot of cars more than about 15 years old still on the road and, cars don't rust here either. There are more trucks before 2000 than cars but, even they're dropping off.
Most crime is associated with poverty. Reducing poverty would be a good start.
Lots of things are associated with crime, like being black or fatherless (see War on Poverty), but I'm guessing we're not going to consider those links in the same way we consider the poverty connection, or even that fatherlessness in the black community is an unintended consequence of previous attempts to legislate away poverty.
Lots of things are associated with crime, like being black or fatherless (see War on Poverty), but I'm guessing we're not going to consider those links in the same way we consider the poverty connection, or even that fatherlessness in the black community is an unintended consequence of previous attempts to legislate away poverty.
Rinse, repeat...
Actually, fatherless homes within the Black population were on the rise going back to the 40s and 50s. This was found in Moynihan's report. Rather, fatherless homes were on the rise and families went into the welfare system. The current welfare system just exasperated that situation by having the "no man" rule.
Did you ever consider the following:
1) US already has the highest number of people incarcerated IN THE WORLD. More than China (population 1.25B and India with 1B). That by itself is a shocking fact, since US is a developed democratic country.
2) That is a significant portion of the big government. I couldn't find data with the cost associated with 2M people in jail, but the figures must be astonishing. It's not only the correctional institutions, but the LE, courts, judges, lawyers. Does anyone know the total figure of the war on drugs?
3) Lawmakers in all states propose new laws on a daily base. They never calculate (or disclose) the actual cost to their constituency. My suggestion is simple: for every proposed new bill, the lawmaker must provide the TOTAL cost to the taxpayer. Including all the expenses.
How many will you take on your street?
We just have better cops.
Wouldn't cost as much in my idea of a prison. Bet it doesn't cost a lot in India or China. Maybe we should emulate Singapore?
When we deport illegal aliens we should save some money. Maybe we can imprison the criminal illegal aliens at Guantanamo seeing as how President Obama freed up some space.
Quote:
"The criminal alien problem is growing. Criminal aliens — non-citizens who commit crimes — are a growing threat to public safety and national security, as well as a drain on our scarce criminal justice resources. In 1980, our federal and state prisons housed fewer than 9,000 criminal aliens. Today (2015), about 55,000 criminal aliens account for more than one-fourth of prisoners in Federal Bureau of Prisons facilities, and there are about 297,000 criminal aliens incarcerated in state and local prisons. That number represents about 16.4 percent of the state and local prison population compared to the 12.9 percent of the total population comprised of foreign-born residents."
Then there's the cost:
Quote:
"Administering justice to criminal aliens costs the taxpayer dearly. The estimated cost of incarcerating these criminal aliens at the federal level is estimated at $1.5 to $1.6 billion per year. That cost includes expenses in the federal prison system and the amount of money paid to state and local detention facilities in the State Criminal Alien Assistance Program (SCAAP). It does not include the costs of incarceration at the state and local level, nor does it include the related local costs of policing and the judicial system related to law enforcement against criminal aliens. Our fiscal cost study in 2010, estimated administration of justice costs at the federal level related to criminal aliens at $7.8 billion annually. The comparable cost to state and local governments was $8.7 billion."
Oh, and drugs, incarcerate users in drug specialty prisons just for drug users. Take the users off the streets. Users not dealers commit more crime against innocent people. Who breaks into your home or your vehicle? Robs stores? Mugs people on the street? Steals from friends and family? Has vehicle accidents? Ruins families? Gives birth to drug addicted kids? Not dealers. Business will dry up for sellers. Rehab in prison.
Obviously we could fix our crime problems in the U.S. if we really wanted to, but it wouldn't be pretty. Regardless of what anyone thinks, facing the firing squad for a second felony offense would cleanse our major cities in less than a generation; however, the bleeding hearts would never go for something so cruel despite the fact that it would greatly improve society for the majority.
With our current demographics, do you believe there is any way that we could ever reduce the crime in our major cities to Singapore type levels without brutal or harsh penalties and loads of law enforcement?
What reason do you have to think offering the death penalty as the punishment for the second offense, regardless of what it is, would do anything to address crime rates? States that have the death penalty, by the way, also tend to have higher rates of violent crime. People suggest all the time that the death sentence will deter people, but evidence suggests otherwise.
But what you're doing is a problem I see in the right all the time. In their well-intentioned quest to resist political correctness, they set aside reason. They ignore the best options in favor of what is the least politically correct. This is why people like Trump. It doesn't matter how often he lies or says things that directly contradict his stated platform on his website; it's the rhetoric people like. It's never been about substance or policy; just not being politically correct.
When a problem is identified, the best thing to do, most would say, is to identify why it's a problem before acting. Why does crime exist? What makes areas with more crime different from other areas. Generally speaking, poverty and a lack of social stability are the key factors.
Look, here's what would probably happen if what you're suggesting is implemented. We could be lucky enough to see a decrease in crime eventually. But once the levels do decrease, people would start to question the decency of the 'second chance' policy you've proposed. Why are people convicted of non-violent felonies dying? At a certain point, people would simply argue that prison would be a more cost effective solution and your policy would eventually die out because the need no longer exists. But the policy was only effective when the problem persists. Once the policy is gone, the problem can return with no long term solution having been made to prevent it. This is best case scenario, by the way. I honestly don't think your policy would do nearly as much as you think it would. It would also cost an insane amount. As is, death row is costly and it really only applies to the nastiest of people. You really think we're going to stream line the process when 24 year old pot dealers are getting shot for the second offense?
What we'd need is to address crime before it happens. No, we will not see immediate results. ****ty truth is, I don't think immediate results can be achieved without violating people's rights. But as I said, there are usually two common factors that would lead to a rise in crime rates. Finding ways to address those ills would create lasting results. Killing people will not.
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