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Old 06-08-2016, 12:37 PM
 
Location: The Hall of Justice
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Going forward, can we employ some honesty here and stop calling this "rape", those charges were dropped.
Because he used his fingers and merely rubbed his penis on the outside of her body while she lay unconscious, getting dirt and pine needles in her abraded vagina? I have no problem calling that rape.
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Old 06-08-2016, 12:38 PM
 
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And yes, I am tired of decades of watching young girls, teen girls and young adult women dressed up like sex kittens. Every young woman wearing thong panties, with a tramp stamp, odd body piercings, high heels and a Brazilian wax job or a landing strip.
Very - detailed. You spend a lot of time thinking about this?
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Old 06-08-2016, 12:38 PM
 
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it's revolting to read all the comments on how this woman shouldn't have passed out drunk. did you forget your own teenage and college years? get real! we've all partied like rock stars.

this is about a violent attack on an unconscious woman. Him raping her was in no way her fault. This is not up for debate.
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Old 06-08-2016, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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See the thing is the rapist is a rapist and should be treated as such. no question about that. but ATG5 is utterly missing the point being made by a woman who came of age in the 70s.

We taught people stuff back then that we aren't teaching people now. the 70s was a wild time and men and women were doing things that a generation before was utterly verboten. BUT they owned their own actions. why? because they had been taught to do so. CULTURE demanded responsibility.

now we are raising kids that will go do all manner of things... not so much differently from the 60s and 70s but the big difference is, we have utterly abandoned the requirement that we own our actions.

I came of age in the 70s, and you are full of it. What we are teaching our children now is that it is not your fault if you are raped, and there is no shame in reporting it. What we are teaching children now is that rape is the fault of rapists, and that rape apologists are no better than rapists.

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Old 06-08-2016, 12:45 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Nah. I'm perfectly fine with "rape" being the operative word every time someone Googles "Brock Turner".
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Go ahead, we'll just continue calling it what is was, RAPE.
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No.
Okay, so some people are fine with misrepresenting things. Why does that not surprise me?
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Old 06-08-2016, 12:46 PM
 
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Very - detailed. You spend a lot of time thinking about this?
and apparently has spend decades watching young girls
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Old 06-08-2016, 12:47 PM
 
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Okay, so some people are fine with misrepresenting things. Why does that not surprise me?
Rape is rape. Ever been raped?
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Old 06-08-2016, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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it's revolting to read all the comments on how this woman shouldn't have passed out drunk. did you forget your own teenage and college years? get real! we've all partied like rock stars.

this is about a violent attack on an unconscious woman. Him raping her was in no way her fault. This is not up for debate.
Not only that, only the woman is being faulted for drinking. Brock was drinking too! Where is his culpability for getting drunk?
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Old 06-08-2016, 01:21 PM
 
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it's revolting to read all the comments on how this woman shouldn't have passed out drunk. did you forget your own teenage and college years? get real! we've all partied like rock stars.

this is about a violent attack on an unconscious woman. Him raping her was in no way her fault. This is not up for debate.
I agree with you and hopefully my comments have not been construed as deserving your noted proper objection, but how do we reconcile the responsibility and/or irresponsibility that goes with drinking?

Not sure that "we've all partied like rock stars" in the same way, for example, taken the same risks, exercised the same good and/or bad judgement while partying so. To what extent are we responsible (or not) for our actions when it comes to how we party?

A matter of consideration in any case, right? Not to suggest a drunk women is "asking for it" when it comes to a crime like this, for example, but was this woman entirely without fault as related to reckless and/or unsafe behavior?

"Party like a rock star," and exercise similar bad judgement by getting behind the wheel, thinking you can make it home no problem, just like maybe this woman did. Wrong. A drunk driver doesn't have any sort of similar "we've all partied like a rock star" defense.

When/where does our responsibility begin and end in these regards? Not sure, and maybe I'm just playing lawyer here a bit too far, but interesting questions in my opinion in any case, whether from a legal standpoint and/or simply from the standpoint of public opinion....
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Old 06-08-2016, 01:24 PM
 
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Not only that, only the woman is being faulted for drinking. Brock was drinking too! Where is his culpability for getting drunk?
Oh, he and his father and his friends are all over that. They very much regret that he drank. In fact, Brock lied his rear off about how he was a country kid with no experience of alcohol before college.
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