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Old 06-10-2016, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Secure Bunker
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Shouldn't be like the VA. We need to keep the bulk of the HC delivery in the private sector. Like Medicare today.
How about if we get the federal government completely out of the healthcare delivery business? How about that?
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Old 06-10-2016, 11:32 AM
 
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Does this mean they are rejecting Obamacare?
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Old 06-10-2016, 11:56 AM
 
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Democrats like republicans don't vote as a single block. Anything meaningful would have to bipartisan.
If Obama was a better unifier of his own party, he could have passed universal health care instead of Obama care garbage.
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Old 06-10-2016, 11:59 AM
 
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That cannot happen when government takes over. Doctors will Default to government employees, as their income will be paid exclusively in US Treasury funds, with no other private sector income.

We use to shop and choose for a doctor. Now government mandates we shop for insurance they have chosen to choose from. Next there would be no choice at all.

Liberty. Know what it is, before we lose it all
Medicare works mostly with private sector facilities and providers, and is essentially senior/disabled single payer.

I personally and professionally still prefer a public option, and let the privates do as they may. Single payer as you demonstrate can be too brutal on the HC providers.
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Old 06-10-2016, 12:00 PM
 
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How about if we get the federal government completely out of the healthcare delivery business? How about that?
Can't be. The poor, our seniors and those with pre-existing disease require central controls and supports. This ain't Zimbabwe!
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Old 06-10-2016, 12:07 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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That cannot happen when government takes over. Doctors will Default to government employees, as their income will be paid exclusively in US Treasury funds, with no other private sector income.

We use to shop and choose for a doctor. Now government mandates we shop for insurance they have chosen to choose from. Next there would be no choice at all.

Liberty. Know what it is, before we lose it all
Y'all use to not be so overweight.
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Old 06-10-2016, 12:11 PM
 
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If Obama was a better unifier of his own party, he could have passed universal health care instead of Obama care garbage.
First of all.... You can make the same unifier case for the entire Republican Party. You realize their current nominee has divided conservatives even further. So spare me, but I guess if you simply need to feel better sure.

Lastly, republicans didn't expand Medicaid like Aca wanted to. Here in Texas, they refused Medicaid expansion and couldn't figure out anything to get Texas from being the most uninsured state in the nation. It's amusing how something doesn't work well when the other side refuses to implement anything. Don't you find it amusing?
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Old 06-10-2016, 12:15 PM
 
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Can't be. The poor, our seniors and those with pre-existing disease require central controls and supports. This ain't Zimbabwe!

Uh, No, they don't. The MOST the federal gov't should do is provide a modicum of financial assistance for those truly in need. And that's IT. Apart from that it should have ZERO involvement.
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Old 06-10-2016, 12:18 PM
 
Location: LA, CA/ In This Time and Place
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People are in favor of someone else paying their bills? Shocking.
The US is behind the times compared to other developed nations. The fact that Americans fear, ridicule and demonize universal healthcare is bizarre.
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Old 06-10-2016, 12:23 PM
 
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Uh, No, they don't. The MOST the federal gov't should do is provide a modicum of financial assistance for those truly in need. And that's IT. Apart from that it should have ZERO involvement.
In a capitalist free market system, the best manner in which to do most business IMO, they will need assistance.
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