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Old 06-12-2016, 08:07 AM
 
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"Even more offensive is those who will condemn actions when they don't see it as one of their own but are quick to jump when they feel they can push their agenda"

If anyone is pushing an agenda here it's you. Blatantly obvious.

I personally take offense at the title of this thread. It shouldn't read Muslims, it should read Muslim.

 
Old 06-12-2016, 08:08 AM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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What a horrific tragedy.


Let me see if I understand, religious extremists in any faith but Islam who perpetrate crimes are fringe loonies that don't represent the faith. But religious extremists who are Muslim represent the entire faith of 1.5 billion? Just making sure I understand the logic at play.
 
Old 06-12-2016, 08:08 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Yes, sure. The good, old Holy Bible that says "Thou shalt not kill" and "Do onto others as you would have them to do unto you". If families get their moral ethics from this Book, then you'd better believe you are wrong, because this Book clearly states that killing is a sin, not something that we do for fun if we don't agree with someone.

I dare you to find a legitimate source to a true, Bible believing Christian church that actually states that they condone literally physically attacking or killing anyone based on sexual orientation or anything else. I'm not talking about wanting to help people who are involved in a particular lifestyle, but actually physically hurting or killing them for engaging in that lifestyle. Good luck.
Leviticus 20:13 "'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
 
Old 06-12-2016, 08:09 AM
 
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Yes, sure. The good, old Holy Bible that says "Thou shalt not kill" and "Do onto others as you would have them to do unto you". If families get their moral ethics from this Book, then you'd better believe you are wrong, because this Book clearly states that killing is a sin, not something that we do for fun if we don't agree with someone.

I dare you to find a legitimate source to a true, Bible believing Christian church that actually states that they condone literally physically attacking or killing anyone based on sexual orientation or anything else. I'm not talking about wanting to help people who are involved in a particular lifestyle, but actually physically hurting or killing them for engaging in that lifestyle. Good luck.
They do but many of those people overlook every other verse in the bible like many of those raised in the church or grew up on Christian beliefs. The topic of homosexuality always brings out the worst in most people who were raised in the church. The bible immediately gets thrown around. The bible also says thou shall not lie either and I bet money you and other Christians haven't followed that one either.

Christians cans be just as radical don't play yourself. I grew up in the church and visited many churches myself so I know how Christians can be.

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Old 06-12-2016, 08:10 AM
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Maybe the shooter was one those guys the President was talking about a while ago. Muslims on the FBI's watch list who the NRA thinks should still have access to weapons.
 
Old 06-12-2016, 08:10 AM
 
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From a tactical point of view, this attack was well planned. He went in for the attack around 2am Sunday morning. During this time at a popular nightclub the patrons are drunk and or high on drugs. Their reaction time will be reduced thus giving the opportunity to kill or injure many people. This attack also happened during Ramadan.
 
Old 06-12-2016, 08:11 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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with a quote by an FBI agent. Nice try at avoiding the source, though.
All avenues are investigated and not just one. He's been named and that's about it for now.


Omar Mir Seddique Mateen of Port St. Lucie a U.S. citizen of Afghani descent.

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Old 06-12-2016, 08:12 AM
 
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"Even more offensive is those who will condemn actions when they don't see it as one of their own but are quick to jump when they feel they can push their agenda"

If anyone is pushing an agenda here it's you. Blatantly obvious.
Yes I am. I do not deny that but I am not being hypocritical on it. I will condemn any and all groups that kill innocent human beings.

You?

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I personally take offense at the title of this thread. It shouldn't read Muslims, it should read Muslim.
Right now I do not know if it's relevant at all. It very well may be or it may be a case where we have a mentally ill individual that happened to be Muslim.
 
Old 06-12-2016, 08:13 AM
 
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At least one understands the point.

We have extremists from every religion, political belief or any one label you can come up with. Unfortunately for many they are only willing to condemn one group or the other.

Even more offensive is those who will condemn actions when they don't see it as one of their own but are quick to jump when they feel they can push their agenda.

Talk about off the deep end.....

Again, many condemn all people who do stupid things like this, however, people such as you only speak out when it's a mass murder like this, why not talk about the 2 children who were shot and killed in drive by shootings in the same neighbor hood within a week....

Blah blah blah, is all you're going to say now....

Because people speak up and say hey, lookie here......just like the 14 killed in CA....they tried to blame the folks who were at the party and not the killers themselves....
 
Old 06-12-2016, 08:16 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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This is a direct slap in the face to Obama, and open border liberals in general. Muslims kill gays in their countries. Now they're doing it here in the U.S.
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