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Old 06-13-2016, 04:46 PM
 
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RWNJs are endlessly defending the rights of individuals to have anti-gay, anti-Muslim, anti-black and anti-liberal views... but when it comes to criticizing America, they have no rights and should be immediately suspected of plotting to kill people.
And progressives have a history of sympathizing with anyone who takes a hostile, if not hateful view of America. Anyone who disagrees with them gets labeled sexist/racist/homophobic/RWNJ.

As far as many adherents to the Religion of Peace, they do have an oustanding record of killing Westerners in the US and Europe the last few years.

Those dudes don't just talk and have their women do that turkey warble thing, they kick serious Western ass and do a victory dance in the streets like the 12th century savages that they are.

Then then they peacefully go back to beating their women, killing homosexuals and teaching their kids the fine, yet delicate art of beheading.

 
Old 06-13-2016, 07:21 PM
 
Location: So Cal
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Don't worry mr mateen, Omar will get his 72 virgins. Unfortunately they'll all be 300 pound dudes.
 
Old 06-13-2016, 11:47 PM
 
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Even if a Muslim immigrant seems okay, his kid -- or his kid's kid -- might well become radicalized and a "home grown" terrorist.

This has already happened in the case of the Boston bombers, one of the San Bernardino terrorists, and the Orlando massacre.

The real problem is Islam itself.

It is intolerant of other religions and ways of life.

In Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia, you cannot be an openly practicing Christian.

Women are oppressed and homosexual acts get the death penalty.

There is no belief in basic human rights, personal freedom, or democracy.

The religion is not compatible with Western values.

So Muslims should not be admitted to this country.
 
Old 06-14-2016, 12:47 AM
 
Location: Corona the I.E.
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Why isn't his Father's citizenship/green card stripped and deported?

Why do we allow hostile enemies to harbor in our country and spread their hatred/jihad beliefs under the guise of 1st amendment?

Why are people that have been on the FBI watch list twice in recent years allowed to buy an assault rifle/gun?
 
Old 06-14-2016, 01:07 AM
 
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Why isn't his Father's citizenship/green card stripped and deported?
My understanding is that he was invited to the White House by Obama.

Obama has lots of radical Muslim advisers in his administration. He takes his orders from CAIR and the Muslim Brotherhood.

Hillary would have the same -- Uma Abeden (disgraced Congressman Anthony Wiener's wife) is said to support the Muslim Brotherhood.

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Why do we allow hostile enemies to harbor in our country and spread their hatred/jihad beliefs under the guise of 1st amendment?
Obama loves the enemies of this country and has contempt for ordinary Americans.

He is perfectly happy to import hundreds of thousands more unvetted Muslims into this country, even though his own FBI director and Director of National Intelligence have said that many of them will be radicals who support ISIS.

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Why are people that have been on the FBI watch list twice in recent years allowed to buy an assault rifle/gun?
He was never even put on the no-fly list, in spite of being a person of interest to the FBI.

The only people they put on the no-fly list are ordinary innocent Americans -- plus the occasional senator or congressman (which is always good for a laugh).

That's why the NRA opposes legislation that would deny guns to people on the no-fly list.

With the kind of government we have, we don't need enemies.

We already have one -- our government.
 
Old 06-14-2016, 05:33 AM
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The Taliban did not invade the US nor are they a threat to us, they are actually fighting against ISIS so they would seem to be at opposite ends.


There is no record of the FBI interview, unless you can provide a link I will assume you are making stuff up.


One thing for sure is that he was mentally unstable and should not have been working for a security firm, nor should he have been allowed to own a gun. The ex-wife should have followed through filing a protection order.
Actually the Taliban was our enemy - remember Kabul Afghanistan where 13 US citizens were killed by a car bomber on a US military base? "Over the past 10 years the United States has waged a costly war in Afghanistan with the purpose of destroying al-Qaeda, eradicating the Taliban regime which gave the terrorist organization safe haven, and creating a viable democracy in that country. For too long, al-Qaeda had operated from Afghanistan with impunity. Osama bin Laden formed an alliance with the Taliban, his forces trained with Taliban forces, and his relationship with Taliban leader Mullah Omar grew. After bin Laden and his affiliates were found accountable for the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in Africa, the Taliban refused to extradite the guilty parties to the United States, claiming that “without any evidence, bin Laden is a man without sin… He is a free man.” Meanwhile, bin Laden praised the Taliban as the “only Islamic government” in existence and praised the Taliban’s leader."

We may be working with them now to defeat ISIS but that wasn't always the case and the US works with the best of the worst when it comes to the Middle East.

The son was interviewed twice by the FBI for his comments against different ethnic groups and his association with a suicide bomber. He made multiple jihadists comments to co-workers who reported him and the company did nothing because they were afraid of racial profiling.
 
Old 06-14-2016, 05:44 AM
 
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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I saw that, looks like we weren't vetting in the 1980's either.
We've had vetting issues for decades under Republicans and Democrats. CIA shooter, First WTC attackers, 9/11, Ft Hood shooter, and the parents of the San Bernardo and Orlando shooters, none should have been allowed in. What Obama is doing is maintaining the same vetting process while increasing the number of Muslim immigrants coming in.

99% of Muslims cause no problems but the 1% that do have killed 3,000+ Americans. Quite frankly we struggle to do surveillance on our own nut jobs like Tim McVeigh and James Holmes.
 
Old 06-14-2016, 05:55 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Other than the sensational headline there is no mention of dad making anti- American remarks.

Dad sounds delusional.

Family immigrated to the US about 35+/- years ago.

Shooter was born and raised in US.

Family appears to be upper middle class.
 
Old 06-14-2016, 06:04 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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I saw that, looks like we weren't vetting in the 1980's either.
Refugee resettlement peaked in the 80's. It's now a fraction of what it was back then.

Nothing indicates thus far that shooter's family had refugee status.

Nothing beyond the sensational headline in the OP's click bait link demonstrates dad made anti- American remarks or remarks about religion.

There are links embedded within the link with sensational headlines about the family's violent past. Reportedly Police were called 14 years ago when mother pinched father in the bicep and pulled his hair.
 
Old 06-14-2016, 06:04 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Actually the Taliban was our enemy - remember Kabul Afghanistan where 13 US citizens were killed by a car bomber on a US military base? "Over the past 10 years the United States has waged a costly war in Afghanistan with the purpose of destroying al-Qaeda, eradicating the Taliban regime which gave the terrorist organization safe haven, and creating a viable democracy in that country. For too long, al-Qaeda had operated from Afghanistan with impunity. Osama bin Laden formed an alliance with the Taliban, his forces trained with Taliban forces, and his relationship with Taliban leader Mullah Omar grew. After bin Laden and his affiliates were found accountable for the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in Africa, the Taliban refused to extradite the guilty parties to the United States, claiming that “without any evidence, bin Laden is a man without sin… He is a free man.” Meanwhile, bin Laden praised the Taliban as the “only Islamic government” in existence and praised the Taliban’s leader."

We may be working with them now to defeat ISIS but that wasn't always the case and the US works with the best of the worst when it comes to the Middle East.

The son was interviewed twice by the FBI for his comments against different ethnic groups and his association with a suicide bomber. He made multiple jihadists comments to co-workers who reported him and the company did nothing because they were afraid of racial profiling.
You can't take sides on this stuff, because our policies shift with the winds. The Taliban was our friend before they became our enemy. When the killer's father came to the US, the Reagan administration was supplying arms and advisers to the Taliban in Afghanistan. His father was an ally back then and likely why he immigrated.
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