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Actually, and this is but a technicality, According the NIMH, suicide rates for males nationwide is 57% by firearm, for females it is 32%. Seems the preferred method of suicide for females is poisoning - 38% while poisoning for males is 13%
NIMH · Suicide in the U.S.: Statistics and Prevention (http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/suicide-in-the-us-statistics-and-prevention.shtml - broken link)
Nope, your problem is that you always believe that your statements are facts.
The statement I made to the OP was a fact - is a fact - you attempt to add words to others statements and distort others posts. These are fact - not opinions. You might note that other posters - not simply myself, have noted these same facts about your posts.
Many things affect the murder rate, but notice that the murder rate went from 32.8 in 1975, just before the handgun ban was passed, to 23.5 in 1985, a significant decline.
Notice also it DOUBLED while the ban was in place.
Notice also it was only 10.6 per 100,000 BEFORE the gun ban and actually before the GCA of 1968....
Almost as if the availability of firearms isn't the problem...
Not true at all. While you can own a rifle or shotgun it must be unloaded & disassembled thereby rendering it useless for self defense. If you assemble it inside your home & move from one room to the other its a felony & you can lose all gun rights. The Justices laughed at the concept that this didn't violate the second amendment which they acknowledge protects the right to firearms as a means of self defense.
They also laughed at the idea that the law was a "Reasonable" restriction.
Reasonable restrictions prevent felons & crazy people from having a gun, not everybody in a municipality. Further its a very dangerous precedent to permit a municipality to step on civil rights.
I agree that the court will let them place reasonable restrictions on them. A viable permit system that actually issues permits would be ok as long as its a "Shall issue" law that cannot refuse lacking legal disqualifications.
Just to revisit an earlier point by you.
You said the law is to prevent suicides?
Why cant people kill themselves with a rifle?
We'll see what the courts say. BTW for the umpteenth time, there is no second amendment right to self defense.
All major cities that I know of place restrictions on guns. The court IMO will allow the District to place restrictions on guns.
Many things affect the murder rate, but notice that the murder rate went from 32.8 in 1975, just before the handgun ban was passed, to 23.5 in 1985, a significant decline.
Peace between Iraq and America? Iraq had no WMD and was no threat to America.
Never said they were a threat & I think that was one of the biggest mistakes Bush made, trying to say they were. All that was irrelevant. Whats relevant is that he agreed to unhindered weapons inspections & for 12 years he was allowed to ignore his agreement. When we got tired of the meaningless UN sanctions & the rest of the worlds lack of fortitude we went & did what everyone involved in the original conflict shoulda done.
I supose we could have watched him walk over his neighbors & likely right into Europe eventually but having been called out to save the world twice before we decided to not allow that to happen. Maybe you wanted to wait till he killed a few hundred thou Kuwaiti's or finished off the Kurds.
America is not perfect but we are alot closer than our European friends, otherwise I imagine at some point we would have needed them to bail us out instead of always the other way round.
Notice also it DOUBLED while the ban was in place.
Notice also it was only 10.6 per 100,000 BEFORE the gun ban and actually before the GCA of 1968....
Almost as if the availability of firearms isn't the problem...
Firearms are certainly not the only problem. Inner city poverty, drug use, gangs, and a host of other issues affect the homicide and suicide rate. The city is attempting to deal with all of those factors.
Unfortunately Virginia likes to make money by selling firearms very indescriminately. The best we can do right now is keep firearms out of the hands of foolish, but honest people. We can also charge bad guys with gun possession, when we catch them.
Rlchurch, as you stated the purpose of the DC gun ban was not to stop crime anyway but to curb suicides...
Can you explain why a person couldnt simply use a shotgun to commit suicide?
Go back and check. You misquote me.
I don't really know why people don't use shotguns and rifles very often in suicides, but the fact is that they don't.
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