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View Poll Results: Should we have stricter gun-ownership laws?
Yes 114 28.08%
No 292 71.92%
Voters: 406. You may not vote on this poll

 
 
Old 02-22-2008, 12:44 PM
 
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The only thing a stricter law does, is hurt law obiding citizens. Criminals are still criminals, they don't care about the law in the first place

 
Old 02-22-2008, 02:02 PM
 
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Originally Posted by dubuqueaskme View Post
Should we have stricter laws on guns?

In my opinion, we should. We aren't ever going to get the guns out of the gangster's hands, but we can start a law that requires that you have a very small or no criminal record when you can own a gun...

Now, I know that there are things wrong with this...

I can hear some arguments with my claim above now...

"Well what if someone breaks into a previous criminal's home, and the previous criminal will have no way to defend his self since he does not have a gun... Then my option would be...

After being released from jail, you must not commit any crimes for three or maybe five years, and then you can qualify for gun ownership.

This may sound totally wrong and un-constitutional to some, or most, but with all this gun violence, are we just supposed to let criminals buy guns... with the school and mall shootings, what is America to do?
I am sure you know that gang banger or the criminal does not care about his/her criminal record? These kind of people don't go to a gun store and buy a legal gun. They get their guns from the streets. Guns that have been stolen from people, Mostly from their victims homes. So all the gun laws do is hurt the honest gun owner and does nothing to control the criminal.
 
Old 02-22-2008, 02:51 PM
 
Location: In a house
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That's not my fault. That's THEIR choice.
Yup, & its their choice if they decide to own a gun to protect them from someone just like you. Someone who thinks because theyre bigger they are more worthy of survival. Someone who thinks might makes right & those weaker are not worth the space they take up.

I thought I heard it all but looking at your posts your the most ignorant person I ever had the misfortune to come across.

Anyway, in America it is a right, get over it or hit the road. Theres alot of represive socialist countries you can go live in. Bring Billary with you too.
 
Old 02-22-2008, 02:53 PM
 
Location: In a house
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Originally Posted by dubuqueaskme
Should we have stricter laws on guns?

In my opinion, we should. We aren't ever going to get the guns out of the gangster's hands, but we can start a law that requires that you have a very small or no criminal record when you can own a gun...

Now, I know that there are things wrong with this...

I can hear some arguments with my claim above now...

"Well what if someone breaks into a previous criminal's home, and the previous criminal will have no way to defend his self since he does not have a gun... Then my option would be...

Quote:
After being released from jail, you must not commit any crimes for three or maybe five years, and then you can qualify for gun ownership.

This may sound totally wrong and un-constitutional to some, or most, but with all this gun violence, are we just supposed to let criminals buy guns... with the school and mall shootings, what is America to do?
Simply dont let people out if theyre still dangerous. The school & mall shooting will stop when people in schools & malls start fighting back. Laws wont help.
 
Old 02-22-2008, 05:28 PM
 
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The argument is hard to pin down, if guns made us safe this would be the safest country in th world.
We have a second amendment that gives us the right to have and bear arms.
The second amendment was designed to keep the government at bay not hunt or shoot home invaders, unless they had a badge.
The world has changed and changed a lot.
I think a balanced view is the way to go, we do not need students carying guns, but a person should be able to have one in the home to protect themself.
Texas is a state that goes a bit over the top, alowing a property owner to shoot someone if they are stealing a neighbors car.
In a state like cal, you are going to jail for a few years.
A bigger danger than guns are to our society is the economy, we are in stagflation and a housing depression. People get desprate when they can not make the rent.
 
Old 02-22-2008, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Roger that....Five Four......
I always found it unnerving to have a guy in my unit that had so-called 'civilian' martial arts training...All too often these guys were some sort of off the hook nut-job from some inner city cesepool angry at the world .....and anxious as all get out to beat on somebody....friendly or otherwise...
Several times we had to 'time out' these guys because they could not control themselves in the training environment....they were dangerous....mostly to them selves....
Other students would listen to the instructor and do as they were shown...but the 'kung-fooo-ie' types man o man...they were acting out their dream role in some sort of remake of Enter the Dragon....
Oh so true. The biggest problem are the schools: You got the money we got the belts promotion system. 2 year black belt programs. What a joke. Run accross a room jump on a tramp and kick an antifreeze jug. LOL They kill me.
They all seem to feel like experts too.
 
Old 02-22-2008, 08:33 PM
 
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Guns would be like drugs if banned;very easly to get for anyone who wanted one.
 
Old 02-23-2008, 03:38 AM
 
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The argument is hard to pin down, if guns made us safe this would be the safest country in th world.
I know your post wasn't meant to be very anti-gun, but America is not all that dangerous and I think it is more of a people/social problem than it is a gun problem.

1. Canada and much of Europe have higher rates of assault, rape, robbery, arson, and burglary than the United States. America is also pretty much average as far as global murder rates are concerned.

2. Most murders in the United States are between criminals or take place in dysfunctional domestic situations where there is a history of violence.

3. Most murders are restricted to areas with high amounts of gang activity, poverty, prostitution, and drug dealing. Areas like the housing projects of Chicago, East New York and Brownsville in New York City, parts of South Los Angeles and East LA in Los Angeles, and in small poor cities like Camden, Compton, etc.

4. The states with the most relaxed guns laws and highest ownership like North Dakota, South Dakota, New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine, etc. usually have the lowest murder rates in the country and as a jab to the right-wing, most of those states don't have capital punishment either (and even the few that do, never use it).

While I won't go as so far to say that guns make us safe, I certainly wouldn't say that guns make us unsafe.

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Originally Posted by texdav View Post
Guns would be like drugs if banned;very easly to get for anyone who wanted one.
Maybe not very easy to get, but it wouldn't be impossible. There are small factories all over Afghanistan and Pakistan that make automatic weapons. If guns were completely banned, it would put a lot of gunsmiths and firearms manufactures out of work. With their knowledge and metal working machinery, they could start making guns and bullets.
 
Old 02-23-2008, 04:06 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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LoL guns don't kill people, people kill people.
Should we have stricter control over who is allowed to produce off-spring and with whom they should mate to produce said off-spring?
I mean even in America you need a license to own a gun right? But you don't need an official document to procreate or raise a child. I just find it obvious that some people should never be allowed to have children and that most people should have a ‘parenting diploma’ before they event try to conceive or raise a child.
Creating children is (relatively) easy, but raising a child is not.
 
Old 02-23-2008, 06:50 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I mean even in America you need a license to own a gun right?
No, that is incorrect.
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