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View Poll Results: Should we have stricter gun-ownership laws?
Yes 114 28.08%
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Old 05-12-2008, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Let's see:

I was able to build my home where I wanted to

I can buy any car I want. AND, if I want to build a custom car, I can

I can watch any movie I want - from a very "G" rated to the worst porn flick around.

I can travel where I want - when I want -

What was the other poster blabbing about???

And, short of a nuclear weapon - I can own just about any weapon I want to - including fighter aircraft

 
Old 05-12-2008, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Originally Posted by Tin Knocker View Post
Yup, thats regulation. Now show me the place where you can have no cars, no homes, no movies.
And in all states plus the District of Columbia, state law allows you to have some guns. Welcome to the 21st century.
 
Old 05-12-2008, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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And he was outvoted. He was also a professional soldier. Nobodies perfect & that was one of his flaws. However he would never have wanted the people disarmed as a crime fighting measure.
Washington is one of the reasons we made provision in the Constitution for a professional army. He, of course, had a great deal of experience leading both professionals and militia and knew first hand that a militia is barely one step up from a mob. Today, not even that.
 
Old 05-12-2008, 11:28 AM
 
Location: In a house
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The founding fathers didn't need to formulate a methodology of interpreting legal instruments because that had already been done. There were rules of construction when the Constitution was made. They were universally accepted.

Tell us, what were these rules of construction?

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My opinion is that we should use the common law rules of construction because that's what the lawmakers probably meant for us to use.


Tell us in your opinion how to interpret the constitution useing the rules of construction that were universally accepted & probably meant for us to use?

I kinda figured they knew people werent all very sophisticated & made things as simple as possible to avoid obfuscation by people that like big words.

I find the entire idea that theres even room for debate by fellow Americans on the meaning of 2 simple concise sentences to be a disappointment.

Now, another question for you. If you dont mind.
What exactly is your purpose in this discusion? It seems you are against Govt overregulation but at the same time you pick apart percieved flaws in pro gun posts.
 
Old 05-12-2008, 11:34 AM
 
Location: In a house
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Washington is one of the reasons we made provision in the Constitution for a professional army. He, of course, had a great deal of experience leading both professionals and militia and knew first hand that a militia is barely one step up from a mob. Today, not even that.
Yup, just like today, profesional soldiers at the time had little use for nonsheep. Thats fine when your in, but your out now & in your mind you can associate yourself with Washington because of military service but the fact remains he was not against an armed citizenry.
Nobody is saying a trained military force is not a better fighting machine. But by their nature military forces can & are abused.
The military force Washington won the Revolution with was trained malitia men. It took a few years but from the ranks of farmers & cobblers he molded a military force sufficient to defeat the greatest country on earth at the time.
Never coulda done it if the colonies had your attitude. He might not of looked highly upon the militia but he never questioned their importance.
 
Old 05-12-2008, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Ath,GR
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Regulation is...the mother of restriction...

That mama must be...made sterile...
 
Old 05-12-2008, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Yup, just like today, profesional soldiers at the time had little use for nonsheep. Thats fine when your in, but your out now & in your mind you can associate yourself with Washington because of military service but the fact remains he was not against an armed citizenry.
Nobody is saying a trained military force is not a better fighting machine. But by their nature military forces can & are abused.
The military force Washington won the Revolution with was trained malitia men. It took a few years but from the ranks of farmers & cobblers he molded a military force sufficient to defeat the greatest country on earth at the time.
Never coulda done it if the colonies had your attitude. He might not of looked highly upon the militia but he never questioned their importance.
Review of The Papers of George Washington:
Revolutionary War Series, Volumes 8 & 9
  1. Washington warned that the militia should be kept away from regular troops because it would "spread the seeds of licentiousness among the regulars" (9:127).
  2. They were undependable, "there today, & gone tomorrow" (8:439). Militiamen went home with the arms and equipment that the government issued them. Because militia officers were interested only in concocting schemes to increase their pay, they gave little attention to discipline. Some militia troops plundered citizens under the pretense of their being Tories.
Oh yeah he just loved the militia.
 
Old 05-12-2008, 01:54 PM
 
Location: In a house
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Review of The Papers of George Washington:
Revolutionary War Series, Volumes 8 & 9
  1. Washington warned that the militia should be kept away from regular troops because it would "spread the seeds of licentiousness among the regulars" (9:127).
  2. They were undependable, "there today, & gone tomorrow" (8:439). Militiamen went home with the arms and equipment that the government issued them. Because militia officers were interested only in concocting schemes to increase their pay, they gave little attention to discipline. Some militia troops plundered citizens under the pretense of their being Tories.
Oh yeah he just loved the militia.
Who said he loved them? I'v repeatedly held that the military mindset isn't fond of the militia. The difference was & is that tho he might not like them & how they functioned he knew it was their right to be armed & he knew they could be molded into a formidable force if needed.

The crap about abusing citizenry cannot compare to that done by the standing army.

The fact is that Washingtons personal feelings on this issue are irrelevant, whats relevant is you will never produce any writings atributed to him desireing to disarm the populace. He wasn't perfect but he was a Patriot of the highest order. He broke ranks when the British crown overstepped the bounds of decency. Something you & most Americans these days havent the backbone for.
 
Old 05-13-2008, 05:44 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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It is a lie that the left is about freedom,not sure where people came to associate the left with freedom....

I certainly cannot believe the left itself perpetuated this lie...
Conservatives would have never rebelled against the government in power at the time. That takes...liberals.
 
Old 05-13-2008, 06:30 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Conservatives would have never rebelled against the government in power at the time. That takes...liberals.
Not really,modern day liberals(leftists is a more apt term) are about control,everything they stand for is about controlling others.

The founding Fathers of this nation were about freedom.
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