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View Poll Results: Should we have stricter gun-ownership laws?
Yes 114 28.08%
No 292 71.92%
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Old 05-13-2008, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Originally Posted by Alaskagrl View Post
Churchie...either back this kind of statement up with a recognizable source, at least from time to time, or get out of this and other debates.
Just because you say it's so, don't make it true, good buddy!
I've posted all the references about three times in this thread, but what do you want to know, Mukluk?

 
Old 05-13-2008, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Northglenn, Colorado
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You might check those facts, Sparky. Sweden has strict gun control laws.
they do not, and I have posted them several times.

"Here are the figures: The Swiss Federal Police Office reports that in 1997 there were 87 intentional homicides and 102 attempted homicides in the entire country. Some 91 of these 189 murders and attempts involved firearms. With its population of seven million (including 1.2 million foreigners), Switzerland had a homicide rate of 1.2 per 100,000. There were 2,498 robberies (and attempted robberies), of which 546 involved firearms, resulting in a robbery rate of 36 per 100,000. Almost half of these crimes were committed by non-resident foreigners, whom locals call "criminal tourists.""

"But there have been no school massacres in Switzerland, where guns and kids mix freely. At shooting matches, bicycles aplenty are parked outside. Inside the firing shelter, the competitors pay 12-year-olds tips to keep score. The 16-year-olds shoot rifles with men and women of all ages. In fact, the tourist brochure, "Zurich News" recommends September's Knabenschiessen (boy's shooting contest) as a must-see: "The oldest Zurich tradition consists of a shooting contest at the Albisguetli (range) for 12 to 16 year-old boys and girls and a colorful three-day fun-fair." The event has been held since 1657, and attracts thousands of teenage participants and spectators."

"Traditionally, the Swiss Cantons had few firearm regulations. The first federal firearms law was recently enacted. Certain firearm purchases require a permit, and others do not. On retirement, every soldier may keep his rifle or pistol. Surplus assault rifles may be purchased by any Swiss citizen from the Military Department."

US vs. Switzerland Gun Laws


"The gun policy in Switzerland is unique in Europe. The personal weapon of militia personnel is kept at home as part of the military obligations. This, in addition to liberal gun laws and strong shooting traditions, has led to a very high gun count per capita. Switzerland has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world. In recent times political opposition has expressed a desire for tighter gun regulations.[1]"

"The sale of ammunition — including Gw Pat.90 rounds for army-issue assault rifles — is subsidized by the Swiss government and made available at the many shooting ranges patronized by both private citizens and members of the militia. There is a regulatory requirement that ammunition sold at ranges must be used there. However, pro-gun advocates David Kopel and Stephen D'Andrilli claim "the rule is barely known and almost never obeyed".[2] Indeed, while the sale of non-hunting ammunition is registered at the dealer if purchased at a private store, ammunition purchased at a shooting range is not. Non-military ammunition for long-gun hunting and .22 Long Rifle (LR) ammo is not subsidized, but is not subject to sales controls.[2]
"


"Conditions for getting a Carrying Permit
There are three conditions:

fulfilling the conditions for a buying permit (see section below)
stating plausibly the need to carry firearms to protect oneself, other people, or real property from a specified danger
passing an examination proving both weapon handling skills and knowledge regarding lawful use of the weapon
The carrying permit remains valid for a term of five years (unless otherwise surrendered or revoked), and applies only to the type of firearm for which the permit was issued. Additional constraints may be invoked to modify any specific permit. Neither hunters nor game wardens require a carrying permit.[citation needed]"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland

sounds exactly like the CCW permit process here in Colorado

And yes, I did mix up two countries names lol. my bad, been a long day at work.
 
Old 05-13-2008, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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We're talking about BURGLARIES.
A Burglary is the action of unlawfully entering a persons property with the intent of committing an offense. While theft of property is one offense, there are other offenses that can occur during the commission of a Burglary.

The other poster was right on.

You were right off
 
Old 05-13-2008, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Oh, so victims of violent crimes matter less than those who were simply burglarized?
The OP tends to twist words when another poster responds with information that the OP does not like to hear
 
Old 05-13-2008, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Lakes & Mountains of East TN
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...but what do you want to know, Mukluk?
Very nice. You sound desperate, trying to be all hateful.

When you just wind up looking like a dill weed.
 
Old 05-13-2008, 07:50 PM
 
Location: In a house
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The fact is theres no moral reason to restrict guns beyond the obvious violent criminals.

Every reason given to do so is self serving at the detriment of people who disagree.

Thats why when cornered they either get silly & nasty like Mr Crutch or they just shut up for a few days until it quiets down.
We sit & justify our position with legislation & written historical facts & they justify theirs with what ifs & abstract maybe's.

Screw it, I'm going to go load some ammo for this weekend.
You folks have a good evening.
 
Old 05-13-2008, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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A Burglary is the action of unlawfully entering a persons property with the intent of committing an offense. While theft of property is one offense, there are other offenses that can occur during the commission of a Burglary.

The other poster was right on.

You were right off

God bless you but you are coming into a thread out of left field again. The pertinent post was about whether a burglar is likely to carry a firearm. I say 'no' (thieves are usually poor and looking for something to steal and quickly fence for cash) and I'm waiting for evidence to the contrary. This is to quiet the gun lovers among us who insist that burglars are a GREAT reason to keep one's own firearm at home.
 
Old 05-13-2008, 08:34 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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God bless you but you are coming into a thread out of left field again. The pertinent post was about whether a burglar is likely to carry a firearm. I say 'no' (thieves are usually poor and looking for something to steal and quickly fence for cash) and I'm waiting for evidence to the contrary. This is to quiet the gun lovers among us who insist that burglars are a GREAT reason to keep one's own firearm at home.
Many keep a firearm in their home - or place of business. Here is an example of a situation involving a crook with a gun and a shop keeper -

Store owner shoots robber

Thinking about his family and pleading with a gunman to spare his life. That was a situation Leonel Sanchez faced Monday afternoon.

Sanchez owns Soccer City in west Phoenix. He was helping a customer when a man walked into his store. For 20 minutes, the store owner said the man walked around looking at items and at times talking on a cell phone.


Store owner shoots robber

Home invasions are also all too frequent - including ones where the homeowners were shot and killed by the robber
 
Old 05-13-2008, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Regarding Home Invasions, here is some information from a law enforcement agency

http://www.psp.state.pa.us/psp/lib/psp/PSP_Home_Invasions_Pamphlet.pdf (broken link)

And, even if the invader is not armed with a weapon, the fact they forcibily enter a premise can create sufficent fear to justify the use of deadly force.
 
Old 05-13-2008, 08:40 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Robbery and burglary aren't the same things, are they?

Sheesh, again.
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