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Originally Posted by TexasRebTrue, but has the US government ever apologized for systematically stripping the Native Americans of their native language (or at least tried to), culture and religion? I fear that we are going off topic here.
they still have their culture, religion and language. As a matter of fact, the Navajo language was used during WWII as a means of communication in the pacific between our troops. The language was an unwritten language at the time.
I am done arguing with you tricky. You will never see our point of view because you have not seen America except from cheesy t.v. shows, and bad news reports. I guess I can live in the tricky D world and say that holland is nothing but a bunch of people running around in wooden clogs and watching windmills crank away. But I wont do that.
Because I never "studied" an art, per se. I EXPERIENCED it. I fought...pretty much all my life. And do you know why? Because man is a wolf to his fellow man. People out there are EVIL!
I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees--and I haven't died yet. Only the strong survive...if you can't defend yourself in a fight, we don't need you around, you have no right to live.
is that not what a gun can be used for? defending yourself? Look, criminals are not going to be highly trained in any martial arts. and you awnsered another part for us, some people are evil.
Whatever. As I said, I haven't died yet. I have always won...because I'm one tough little bastard. I don't have an ounce of "give up" in my body. There's only one way to find out. Break into my home, gun or no, and I'll give you the beating of your life.
so basicaly you think I should die because I have MS? Yea, thats right. Although I am not disabled now, I know that I will be at some point in my future, unable to defend myself by my hand, well.... unless that hand is holding my 9mm.
For anyone who wants to quote me or direct a comment to me...here is my original comment. Please make sure that you answer the questions. Thanks!
in your own words
"I'm sorry but it appears that we cannot have a rational discussion. Best wishess to you."
you are not trying to discuss anything here. he awnsered your question. He knows the laws as most gun owners do in their prespective states. In colorado, you have to feel your life is threatned in order to use a gun. So, if someone breaks in my house, I will move my family upstairs and call out for the person to identify themsevles, and let them know that I have a firearm, and if they come near my stairs that I will take it as a threat against my familys wellbeing, and will shoot to kill. I dont care what they take of my material possesions, but they will not be allowed to take my life from me or my family.
I assume that during the time when the 2nd amendment was created the dominant "arm" was the "firearm".
Today a dominant arm is the "nuclear arm".
The 2nd amendment does guarantee Americans the right to "arm" themselves, correct? It does not specifically limit that right to firearms, does it?
So why is it not possible for Joe and Jane American to arm themselves with nuclear arms (if they have the financial means)?
OK, you say that's absurd. Why not arm yourself and protect your home with a tank parked in the driveway?
Please direct responses to the questions and skip the personal attacks, thanks.
This is intended to accompany the existing "Guns" thread.
I often wonder if the strongest 2nd amendment advocates have good reason for feeling that way (i.e., live in the most dangersous parts of town, have been robbed, raped, etc.).
Nope. The strongest 2nd Amendment supporters are found in all segments of society but I think theres more in suburban & rural America where people have some education with firearms instead of the socialistic indoctrination to the nanny state they get in urban settings. People from Chicago, DC & NTC iften dont even realize they have a right to effective protection in firearms.
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I tend to believe the people with the greatest threats to their lives are not often the ones pushing the hardest for gun rights.
To a large degree your right. Its the result of social; conditioning & something people should be ashamed of. Most inner city people think being a victim is a fact of life & the best way out is to cooperate. This way you increase the wealth of the criminal & teach him to ply his trade safely. I'm sure that many criminals give up a life of crime in such circumstances.;
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Maybe answers to the questions will help me gain an understanding.
Feel free to answer as many or as few as you like.
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Have you ever been shot or shot at?
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Have you ever shot or shot at another person?
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Has a close family member or friend been killed as a result of a gun (intentional or accidental)?
Nope
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Do you personally know of any children that have been killed as a result of a gun?
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Have you "saved" anyone's life - besides your own - by the use of your gun?
Nope
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Have you "saved" anyone's life - besides your won - without a gun?
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Do you hunt animals as the primary source of your food or for "sport"?
Thats a loaded question & quite irrelevant but yes I hunt deer for a primary source of meat. I killed 5 this year, 5 last year & 11 the year before. But I could survive just fine without hunting & I kill them mostly with arrows anyway.
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Have a large number of crimes against people (murders, robberies, rapes - NOT property crimes) occurred in your immediate neighborhood, your side of town, where you work?
Dont know that I'd say a "large amount" but it happens.
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Do you live in an urban, suburban, rural setting?
What are your views on the 2nd amendment and gun ownership?
I live in a suburban small city about 40 miles northeast of NYC the liberal turdbucket of NY.
My views on the Second amendment are that it means just what it says. You know, just like the rest. It means that the rights of the people to keep & bear arms is a right & that anyone infringing on that right is commiting a crime. Your only guilty of prejudice & unAmerican rhetoric, but police that enforce these laws, prosecutors that prosecute them, judges that convict according to them, legislators that vote for them & politicians that support them, are all guilty of subverting the constitution & violating civil rights on a huge scale. They should be imprisoned & in some cases tried for treason & capital punishment should be used to send the message that this countries citizens WILL NOT tolerate their elected officials legislating in direct oposition to the laws set forth in the Constitution. They are laws & if folks really want to make guns illegal they should start by repealing the Second amendment, not by ignoring it, if they can ignore that one they can ignore the rest.
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Should ALL felons be prohibited from gun ownership?
Nope. Not any more. At one time a "felony" was a violent reprehensible crime of violence. In this day when non violent crimes are considered felons I think it should be a case by case thing. A man that embezels a few million electroniclly is a criminal, but not a threat to the public saftey. Removing his right to defend himself is just being vindictive, nothing more.
Originally Posted by TexasRebTrue, but has the US government ever apologized for systematically stripping the Native Americans of their native language (or at least tried to), culture and religion? I fear that we are going off topic here.
This is silly bordering on asinine. Apologize for WHAT? And on whose behalf and to whom?
Pray be specific, in the whole historic scheme of things, as to who or what owes an apology to who over what. And just why the said who does over just what.
This is silly bordering on asinine. Apologize for WHAT? And on whose behalf and to whom?
Pray be specific, in the whole historic scheme of things, as to who or what owes an apology to who over what. And just why the said who does over just what.
Go for it. Hell, I am game...
I don't think it is the job of Americans to be the only ones to apologize.
Spain, France, Britain, Germany, and several other countries should share the apologize if they are to be said. They did just as much as America (who was started by countrymen of said countries) Spain did just as much harm, and ultimately destroyed an entire civilization in which no longer exists in any way (Aztec) within the north American continent.
Less we digress, back to the original topic at hand
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I fear that we are going off topic here.
