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View Poll Results: Should we have stricter gun-ownership laws?
Yes 114 28.08%
No 292 71.92%
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Old 03-10-2008, 07:43 PM
 
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nothing is holding them in that state, they are free to move into a state where they have better opportunities. That is why many people are now leaving Taxichusits.
The problem is the same... in Texas, it's only less severe.

Extreme inequalities exist in every state. This problem seems to be an inherent part of the system as it is.

Changing states can't solve it. It's an socioeconomic problem.

 
Old 03-10-2008, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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The problem is the same... in Texas, it's only less severe.

Extreme inequalities exist in every state. This problem seems to be an inherent part of the system as it is.

Changing states can't solve it. It's an socioeconomic problem.
The OP was not talking about Texas! lololol

Things are great where I live -
 
Old 03-10-2008, 08:01 PM
 
Location: Northglenn, Colorado
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The OP was not talking about Texas! lololol

Things are great where I live -
as where I live.
 
Old 03-10-2008, 08:06 PM
 
Location: In a house
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Extreme inequalities exist in every state. This problem seems to be an inherent part of the system as it is.
Extreme inequalities exist, period. Thats the way it is. The only obligation of society is equal oportunity. If a segment of the population CHOOSES not to avail itself of employment opportunities then by choice they are less affluent than the segment that works. Thats not a problem inherent in the system. Its just the way it is.
I dont understand how lazy unemployed people being poor is wrong?
 
Old 03-10-2008, 08:07 PM
 
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The OP was not talking about Texas! lololol

Things are great where I live -
I merely mentioned Texas because I am there now, not because of OP.

Honestly, problem with illegals is severe... border is close. Perhaps several hundred thousand are in Houston and elsewhere.
 
Old 03-10-2008, 09:10 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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The thing is that no one asked you to be the police of the world.


WHAT!?!?!?


That may go down in history as the most inaccurate comment ever posted!!
 
Old 03-10-2008, 11:56 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Guns are a right in this country, i know that. Still, i am against everyone arming themselves heavily.
Me too. Not everyone needs to be armed, much less heavily. Those who choose to exercise their right to bear arms shouldn't be hindered, however.

I'm typically carrying a weapon whenever I leave the house. I could be carrying several ("heavily" armed) but I only have one with me, unless I'm going to the range to practice. I know I'm in the minority, as most people choose not to exercise that right. That's ok - it's their choice. I, and others like me, only ask that nobody attempt to take that choice away from us.

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My thoughts are that this provokes a certain feeling of insecurity, as well
as as giving the ability to everyone, EVEN wrongdoers arming themselves easily.
You've just nailed the number one concept that anti-gun folks just refuse to understand. Wrongdoers will ALWAYS be able to arm themselves easily! ALWAYS!!! Every time a law is passed that makes it more difficult for a law abiding citizen to either obtain a gun or carry one with them, the lawmakers are removing the ability of those citizens to meet their potential attackers with equal force and save their lives, or those of their loved ones.

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I do not like guns as I am pacifist in nature, but have shot and used weapons.
I'm also a pacifist. I haven't been in a "fight" since the fourth grade. I've successfully avoided those confrontations for over two decades. Nothing has changed since I got my carry permit. If anything, I'm more inclined to avoid confrontations. I don't even honk my horn at a-hole drivers if I have my gun with me (I'll stand on it if I don't, though! ). You'll find that pretty much all CCW permit holders have the same aversion to confrontation - we all know what can happen, and we all want to avoid it, if at all possible. If the situation doesn't present any other way out, and the Bad Guy is intent on killing or inflicting great bodily harm on us or our loved ones, then we have some recourse. We don't have to just stand there and watch it happen.

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I am NOT saying I wouldn't shoot at a violent offender entering my house,
but I don't defend this "right" as much as you do.
If you're not a U.S. citizen, and your native country doesn't recognize gun ownership as a right, then I wouldn't expect you to. All that we, as U.S. citizens, ask, is that you not try to force your own values and opinions onto us. We know that things are different in your country, and we're OK with that. I'm not going around posting in Australian forums about how the gun laws there are oppressive and should be changed - it's their country; they can run it how they like....

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If guns are given to anyone, i feel that this should be regulated.

Then again, this is JUST my opinion.
This is another fallacy propagated by the anti-gun movement. Guns aren't "given to anyone". There are already laws in place that limit who can own a gun. Laws regarding the carrying of a gun are far more restrictive, in most states. The people who buy and carry guns illegally are going to do it no matter what - no "law" is going to stop them.

As for regulation, well, there's already too much of that in this country. No other Constitutional Amendment is so routinely ignored. Could you imagine having to get a permit to speak your mind on a street corner? How about having to get a permit to practice your chosen religion? Want to be exempt from having to testify against yourself in a criminal trial? Apply over there. Want to request that the police must have a warrant before searching your house? I'm sorry, we've hit the ceiling on those permits for the year...
 
Old 03-11-2008, 12:18 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Tanks aren't the problem. Crazy people with tanks are the problem. And they don't even need a tank - a
bulldozer covered in 1-foot thick armor will do just fine.

Tanks, planes, guns... none of these things are dangerous unless in the hands of a dangerous person, and as evidenced by the video I linked to, a dangerous person doesn't need any of those things to do a lot of damage...
 
Old 03-11-2008, 12:42 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Originally Posted by Noahma
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If I remember reading this right, you are having an immigration problem with muslums flooding acrost your boarders like the flood of Noah was starting.
Nope, in the 60's we invited many poor people from other countries (Spaniards, Turks, Moroccans and Greeks who all might or might not be Muslim) into Holland to do the simple and dirty work we (the native Dutch) wouldn't want to do.
I only find it logical that these guest workers bring their wives and children over once they have got a steady job. Then there also are the guest workers who married Dutch citizens. So it is only natural that Holland has had the reputation of wanting the poor who are willing to work.
My government just made the mistake of thinking that workers only work 24/7 and not live outside their jobs.

Throughout the centuries the Dutch welcomed anyone who is willing to work within their borders. In medieval times the Jews, who were mostly unwelcome in other parts of Europe, found a safe haven in Holland. It is not that they weren't blamed for all the things that were wrong in society (like in the rest of Europe), but at least the Dutch government didn't treat them like pariah’s, so they were still protected by the Dutch law (unlike in other countries). Even then the Dutch law made no distinction between a Jewish Dutch citizen or a Christian Dutch citizen and now we make no distinction between a Muslim Dutch citizen or any other Dutch citizen.
The Dutch culture has always been multicultural because it was good for business. How else can you explain the commercial successes of a small country as Holland?
And because of the many different cultures and the conflicts they might bring we have forbidden guns and large melee weapons in our country. A peacuful country can only be good for business (unless you are in the business of selling weapons and other military toys).
 
Old 03-11-2008, 01:22 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Originally Posted by Tin Knocker
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We learned from the past that you folks are like scared children & rather than wait for the next bully to kick your but we have tried to be proactive.
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+1 Tin Knocker! I believe with all my heart that certain Europeans are so ingrained with jealousy and hatred of the US because we as "upstarts" in the world are head and shoulders above Europe in so many ways. THEY should be looking to emulate US, not the other way around!
You 2 have just proven my point that there is no significant difference between American patriotism and American arrogance.

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The people rule, not the government. We have not seen one fail yet, and I think with letting the people decide their own destiny, you wont.
It ain’t my fault that patriotism often causes blindness.
I mean your claim that America is the first democracy is inaccurate; your forefathers based it on the Native American’s Councel of Six Nations *.
Does the majority of the Americans truly believe that if every citizen in the world would get an American passport there would be peace on earth?
BTW a representative democracy is an indirect democracy (not a true democracy).

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a socialist ideal, or communist or facist ideal trys to run on a utopian idea, and has been proven time and time again that it DOES NOT WORK.
You Americans view everyone who disagrees with you as communist / socialist. Apparently you are incapable of acknowledging that I am not a socialist nor a communist.
I am a pragmatist so I'll use everything that works which atm is not following the utopian ideal (be they democratic or socialist).


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* The people of the Six Nations, also known by the French term, Iroquois Confederacy, call themselves the Hau de no sau nee (ho dee noe sho nee) meaning People Building a Long House. Located in the northeastern region of North America, originally the Six Nations was five and included the Mohawks, Oneidas, Onondagas, Cayugas, and Senecas. The sixth nation, the Tuscaroras, migrated into Iroquois country in the early eighteenth century. Together these peoples comprise the oldest living participatory democracy on earth. Their story, and governance truly based on the consent of the governed, contains a great deal of life-promoting intelligence for those of us not familiar with this area of American history. The original United States representative democracy, fashioned by such central authors as Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson, drew much inspiration from this confederacy of nations. In our present day, we can benefit immensely, in our quest to establish anew a government truly dedicated to all life's liberty and happiness much as has been practiced by the Six Nations for over 800 hundred years.

Source: The Six Nations: Oldest Living Participatory Democracy on Earth
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