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Old 06-17-2016, 10:14 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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It's hilarious anyone thinks a ban will do anything. I've still got weapons registered from the very first ban. It's featureless so I get to use my high cap mags even in the commie State of CA. Ban away suckers. Ban away. See you at the gun range.
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Old 06-17-2016, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Right, so based on your presumption, which is wrong, we won't do anything.

Status quo, more mass shootings, enjoy your toys.
Nice deflection.

Try answering the question.

At what point will anti gun activists cease attacks on gun rights when their efforts don't solve the problem?

You can't give a difinitive answer because you don't have one. At least not one that doesn't involve the attempt at the eventual repeal of the 2nd amendment or legislation from the bench of the Supreme Court that has the same effect.
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Old 06-17-2016, 10:14 AM
 
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Meanwhile, having clubs full of people with holstered guns would lead to many, many more shooting deaths every year. But hey, gun nuts want to live in the wild west.
It was either Virginia or West Virginia they passed a law allowing guns into bars/clubs at the owners discretion. Gun viloence at those locations decreased in those establishments. In my state you were always able to carry a weapon into a bar/club at the owners discretion. There has been only one instance I can recall recently where a gun was involved in a bar, the instigator was shot dead by another patron.
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Old 06-17-2016, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Right, so based on your presumption, which is wrong, we won't do anything.

Status quo, more mass shootings, enjoy your toys.
Nice deflection.

Try answering the question.

At what point will anti gun activists cease attacks on gun rights when their efforts don't solve the problem?

You can't give a difinitive answer because you don't have one. At least not one that doesn't involve the attempt at the eventual repeal of rhe 2nd amendment or rulings from the bench of the Supreme Court that has the same effect.
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Old 06-17-2016, 10:20 AM
 
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THE WORLD HISTORY OF GUN CONTROL


1929 -- The Soviet Union establishes gun control. From 1929 to 1953, approximately 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

1935 -- China establishes gun control. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents,unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

1938 -- Germany establishes gun control. From 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews, gypsies,and other arbitrary categories of people unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

1964 -- Guatemala establishes gun control.From 1964 to 1981 100,000 Mayan Indians,unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

1966 -- Cambodia establishes gun control. From 1975 to 1977, one million "educated" people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

1970 -- Uganda establishes gun control. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

1999 -- Australia establishes gun control. Law-abiding citizens were forced to surrender 640,381 personal firearms for destruction, a program costing the government more than $500 million. The results Australia-wide:homicides are up 3.2%, assaults are up 8%, and armed robberies are up 44%. In the state of Victoria, homicides with firearms are up 300%. Over the previous 25 years, figures show a steady decrease in armed robberies and Australian politicians are on the spot and at a loss to explain how no improvement in "safety" has been observed after such a monumental effort was expended in "ridding society of guns."

In a mere 100 years, more than 56 million people, unable to defend themselves because of gun control, have lost their lives and property. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property. Gun control only affects law-abiding citizens as criminals will always find a way to obtain weapons. The next time someone suggests how much safer the world might be with gun control, ask them which group of citizens they would like to exterminate.
And mass killings didn't go down at all. Just the means of killings changed, as now beatings, stabbings and killing by fire have gone up.
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Old 06-17-2016, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Wouldn't part of any research be to propose a solution?
Exactly what"solution" do you think the CDC could propose about gun violence?
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Old 06-17-2016, 10:23 AM
 
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All but one of those countries had no separation of powers, no history of democracy, and no public education. Your guns don't stop government tyranny, our system of government and educated people stop government tyranny, Rambo.
Our system of government includes the 2nd Amendment, which keeps the citizens armed against a tyrannical government.
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Old 06-17-2016, 10:23 AM
 
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Nice deflection.

Try answering the question.

At what point will anti gun activists cease attacks on gun rights when their efforts don't solve the problem?

You can't give a difinitive answer because you don't have one. At least not one that doesn't involve the attempt at the eventual repeal of rhe 2nd amendment or rulings from the bench of the Supreme Court that has the same effect.

It doesn't matter what anti gun activists want (I'm not one) any more than what anti-abortion activists want. The extreme view is not going to be supported by the majority, and I don't support it either. Your slippery slope is a fallacy, and more accurately, an excuse to maintain the status quo.
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Old 06-17-2016, 10:24 AM
 
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I'm not willing to have massive increases in shoot outs between people that lead to just as many or more deaths than mass shootings to placated people who want to have dangerous toys.
Guns are not toys. And your statement that there will be shoot outs between people is purely wild speculation.
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Old 06-17-2016, 10:25 AM
 
Location: louisville
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Nice deflection.

Try answering the question.

At what point will anti gun activists cease attacks on gun rights when their efforts don't solve the problem?

You can't give a difinitive answer because you don't have one. At least not one that doesn't involve the attempt at the eventual repeal of rhe 2nd amendment or rulings from the bench of the Supreme Court that has the same effect.
You just stated the ultimate aim.... Repeal of the second.
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