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If the watch list is run like the "no fly" list, it won't be accurate. There is always someone, sometimes even a child on that list that doesn't belong. The late Senator Ted Kennedy was onthe "no fly" list for years and had no idea why. So someone loses their rights because a clerk somewhere made a mistake,
Those same clerks are always putting live people on the deceased soc. sec. list and it can take months for them to get their income back.
Ted Kennedy should have been prohibited from owning automobiles.
Okay. But we are talking about "obtaining guns legally" here. Not "arresting"
Let's say John Doe is already on "watch list", then he should be immediately reported to FBI, so investigation should start promptly.
My argument is that anybody who are on "terrorism watch list" should NOT be allowed to obtain guns legally.
I understand what you're saying. The FBI already knows who is on the watch list - it's their list.
The point being, if you turn away someone who otherwise should be able to buy a gun, they will then KNOW that they are on the watch list, which they wouldn't have known prior. That would have an almost certain effect on their behavior and actions, they would cease to do anything that might incriminate themselves, thus hamstringing the investigation, making it impossible to gather enough information to make an arrest.
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Originally Posted by lilyflower3191981
We are happy to meet with Donald Trump. The NRA's position on this issue has not changed. The NRA believes that terrorists should not be allowed to purchase or possess firearms, period. Anyone on a terror watchlist who tries to buy a gun should be thoroughly investigated by the FBI and the sale delayed while the investigation is ongoing. If an investigation uncovers evidence of terrorist activity or involvement, the government should be allowed to immediately go to court, block the sale, and arrest the terrorist. At the same time, due process protections should be put in place that allow law-abiding Americans who are wrongly put on a watchlist to be removed.
I don't know how you interpret the above NRA statement, but my interpretation is that anybody on watch list are not going to obtain guns legally UNTIL they are 100% cleared by FBI. Isn't that common sense gun law we are talking about here?
And we're right back to denying a citizen their Constitutionally protected rights without due process. They haven't been found guilty of ANYTHING if they're just on the watch list.
Should we deny them a trial by a jury of their peers, too, and just throw them directly in jail? Revoke their rights to assemble? Deny them the ability to vote? If we're going to abridge one Constitutional right based solely on suspicion, why not the entire BoR?
I understand what you're saying. The FBI already knows who is on the watch list - it's their list.
The point being, if you turn away someone who otherwise should be able to buy a gun, they will then KNOW that they are on the watch list, which they wouldn't have known prior. That would have an almost certain effect on their behavior and actions, they would cease to do anything that might incriminate themselves, thus hamstringing the investigation, making it impossible to gather enough information to make an arrest.
And we're right back to denying a citizen their Constitutionally protected rights without due process. They haven't been found guilty of ANYTHING if they're just on the watch list.
Should we deny them a trial by a jury of their peers, too, and just throw them directly in jail? Revoke their rights to assemble? Deny them the ability to vote? If we're going to abridge one Constitutional right based solely on suspicion, why not the entire BoR?
I am not talking about those who are wrongfully put on the watch list.
sale delayed while the investigation is ongoing To me, that is some common sense gun law right there. Nobody is saying once you are on watch list, you should LOSE your right forever.
How long does the typical investigation last? What's the average amount of time someone spends on the watch list?
well, then why should there even be such a "watch list." watch them for what?
Good question. Mateen was on it more than once and they cleared him. As Tommy Lee Jones said in a movie, " the FBI could not find a hooker in a wh***house"
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