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Originally Posted by RipCityBassWorks
I don't care what crime they commit, the government should not have a right to execute it's own citizens, and too many innocent lives are lost in the process. And the every other democratic nation agrees with me on this it seems.
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That's fine, but even Democrats at the state and local levels become "tough on crime" advocates when they're running for reelection.
So California -- to give one example of a state long dominated by Democrats -- still has the death penalty.
It's also the babies' bodies after about 3 months.
Why is it so hard for you to acknowledge that?
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It should not be the decision of a bunch of old white guys
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What do you have against whites, males and the elderly?
Racist, sexist and ageist much?
What does it matter WHO makes a decision as long as that decision is right?
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if abortion were outlawed we would a skyrocketing amount in children in foster care, and then conservatives would have the options of raising taxes or being left with a bunch of homeless children.
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Well, you were just saying that we shouldn't have the death penalty, but now you're saying it's fine to have it for babies in the womb.
I really don't understand your reasoning on this issue.
Babies are innocent.
Almost all people who get the death penalty are not.
Maybe you should consider options other than abortion: birth control, self-control, morning after pill, adoption.
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Conservative states are trying to force Christian morals on all the citizens.
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In what way? Be specific.
If you're talking about restrictions on alcohol, I agree with you.
On the other hand, liberals love to forbid smoking everywhere they can in places like Berkeley and San Francisco.
They go on endlessly about the hazards to non-smokers of occasional exposure to "second hand smoke."
When you remind them of the tens of thousands of non-drinkers killed by "second hand drinking" (e.g., drunk drivers), or you point out to them that our cities are covered with polluted air -- only a tiny fraction of which is caused by cigarette smoke -- they suddenly don't want to talk to you anymore.
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Not me specifically: minorities and people of the LGBT are being oppressed by pro discrimination laws, and a more militarized police force that is mostly immune to prosecution.
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Gays can marry and serve in the military. But it is true that there are large parts of this country where they can still be legally discriminated against in employment and public accomodations.
Gays had a chance to get the employment non-discrimination act (ENDA) passed in congress when the Democrats had the House, the Senate and the White House in 2009-2011, but then they suddenly decided to add gender identity, which has nothing to do with being gay.
Starting over again is not the way to get legislation passed that you want to have passed.
Furthermore, Obama was against gay marriage until a couple of years ago.
Do liberals and Democrats ever fault him for that? No.
It's only uncool to have been against gay marriage if you are a Republican like the head of Mozilla -- who had to resign because he opposed gay marriage at the same time that Obama opposed it.
As for non-whites and women, it has long been illegal to discriminate against them, and they have recourse through the court system.
At the same time, it is perfectly legal to discriminate against whites and males through racial and gender preferences in affirmative action programs.
Militarized police? I have yet to see more than a couple of cases where somebody who was shot by the police didn't resist arrest or even attack the officer (e.g., Michael Brown.)
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Um, Bush started 2 wars without financing them.... and they weren't added to the total national debt until after Obama took office and tried to fix this mess.
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Nice cop-out.
Hillary and Bill made speeches right before the Iraq war saying that Saddam had WMDs that were a threat to us. So did a lot of other leading Democrats.
All the western intel agencies thought that Saddam had WMDs.
But it's all "Bush's fault."
The Dems voted overwhelmingly for the Afghan war.
And they kept both wars going after Bush left office.
As for whatever money spent on the war was added to the national debt after Bush left office, that money is easily matched by the money spent on bailouts because Clinton ordered Fannie and Freddie to buy $2.4 trillion in subprime loans over a 10 year period starting in 1999, and the economy collapsed as a result in 2008.
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