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I think that's why a lot of people push for a high minimum wage, because that'd put a limit on how much hourly pay can be reduced to.
I agree with you that compensation is compensation, whether via vacation days or nominal salary. And I agree it should be a matter of choice, not mandate.
The problem is, employees have inventive to not try to negotiate or state what they want, because they're afraid of making a bad impression by wanting time off.
It's true that many employees don't have the background to have much bargaining power, but they shouldn't have to fear being fired just for asking.
Maybe as a compromise between total government interference and doing nothing, it's best to simply discourage employers from firing or otherwise penalizing people who ask for something. They can say no, but can't fire someone just because they had the audacity to ask.
The biggest problems for many workers is globalization and automation.
IMHO, trying to legislate away these problems will only make matters worse for US workers.
Unfortunately, unskilled and lightly skilled workers in first world countries are going to be going through hard times until we eventually get to the point that automation eliminates most jobs while providing for everyone regardless of employment.
It's the pitfall of innovation.
The best and only way to protect yourself is by having skills or a job that can't be automate for as long as possible or moved overseas.
We are going to have a major shakeup going forward that will probably include greater poverty and riots. The road to no human labor required will be paved with suffering and blood.
For the majority of workers, there is no discernible difference between weekends and vacations.
lLol, that's cute. You're desperately try to back up your bizarre definition of vacation. I feel bad for you. And I can assure you, the majority of people do not have this absurd thought. You're in the minirity. In fact, you're probably the only person who thinks this.
You brought up sodas, but didnt bring up St Ronnie's great big government project in the 1980s for some reason. Libertarianism is anti-worker, and thats why the Koch brothers and many other members of the donor class advocate it. You talk about math, why does the Big Mac in Denmark cost the same as in the US, when workers make $18 and the government requires all employers to provide 5 weeks paid vacation and one year paid family and medical leave?
You claim that low wage workers dont really want vacation, but that's not freedom. These people are desperate in the US, because of massive downward pressure on their wages and no leverage as the government looks the other way and is in the pockets of the donor class. In other more civilized countries, workers can count on their elected representatives to address their needs.
First, you seem to love diversion.
Second, most low wage workers would rather work and make money than not work. Demanding more vacation time is essentially demanding having no job for a couple of weeks. Not many low wage workers are demanding no job or paycheck for a couple of weeks, and vacation is just that.
The biggest problems for many workers is globalization and automation.
IMHO, trying to legislate away these problems will only make matters worse for US workers.
Unfortunately, unskilled and lightly skilled workers in first world countries are going to be going through hard times until we eventually get to the point that automation eliminates most jobs while providing for everyone regardless of employment.
It's the pitfall of innovation.
The best and only way to protect yourself is by having skills or a job that can't be automate for as long as possible or moved overseas.
We are going to have a major shakeup going forward that will probably include greater poverty and riots. The road to no human labor required will be paved with suffering and blood.
That is much better Pedro. Welcome to the 21st century.
In the meantime Americans are afraid to take vacation and the employers know this.
lLol, that's cute. You're desperately try to back up your bizarre definition of vacation. I feel bad for you. And I can assure you, the majority of people do not have this absurd thought. You're in the minirity. In fact, you're probably the only person who thinks this.
If you don't understand math or business, you'll never understand reality.
Reality is that most people don't actually get paid for vacation. You might believe what is being marketed to you, but you're only being fooled.
Second, most low wage workers would rather work and make money than not work. Demanding more vacation time is essentially demanding having no job for a couple of weeks. Not many low wage workers are demanding no job or paycheck for a couple of weeks, and vacation is just that.
You dont address the question. Low wage workers in Denmark work far less hours than in the US with lots of vacation time mandated by law, but earn far more than in the US. Big Mac cost is the same. But this is a country where the government address the big disparity of power between workers and employers and elected representatives actually care about the people that vote for them. A radical idea.
Second, most low wage workers would rather work and make money than not work. Demanding more vacation time is essentially demanding having no job for a couple of weeks. Not many low wage workers are demanding no job or paycheck for a couple of weeks, and vacation is just that.
Most Americans don't even have a passport.
Are you talking about undocumented migrant workers?
The biggest problems for many workers is globalization and automation.
IMHO, trying to legislate away these problems will only make matters worse for US workers.
Unfortunately, unskilled and lightly skilled workers in first world countries are going to be going through hard times until we eventually get to the point that automation eliminates most jobs while providing for everyone regardless of employment.
It's the pitfall of innovation.
The best and only way to protect yourself is by having skills or a job that can't be automate for as long as possible or moved overseas.
We are going to have a major shakeup going forward that will probably include greater poverty and riots. The road to no human labor required will be paved with suffering and blood.
I 100% agree there. The transition period's gonna be rough.
I've understood the tragedy of automation for a very long time, but it's a byproduct of progress which is innate to humans. You can't legislate it away.
And once again, the more value you ah e for a business the greater your compensation and ability to make demands. It's up to the individual to increase their skills through hard work and/or knowledge.
Mandating vacation is mandating non-paid days off for most workers. Sine most of these workers already have I've 100 non-paid days off each year, I'm not sure why forcing more of them is considered a positive when , if given the choice, most would rather be paid to work.
Why in the world would I support that? If employees want generous vacation (and sick, and personal leave) benefits, let them do their homework and find those employers.
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