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View Poll Results: Do you support two weeks of mandatory vacation for all full-time workers in the US?
Yes 112 52.83%
No 100 47.17%
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Old 06-22-2016, 12:43 PM
 
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How much do Danes pay in taxes?
Danes dont pay property taxes, but taxes are not very relevant here, because the cost for McDonalds in Denmark to employ workers is what we are discussing. The Big Mac costs the same in US and Denmark (which has a 25% VAT tax which is included in this price) and workers get 5 weeks paid vacation, 1 year paid family and medical leave, great sick leave etc (all mandated by their elected representatives of course), and get paid $18 an hour as a minimum. By the logic of people here, they should be starving to death because they are so demanding, those awful workers.
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Old 06-22-2016, 12:44 PM
 
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https://mic.com/articles/28780/why-6...u-s#.Esmh0lGqU

This is important because many of us think we have far better working conditions than Europeans. Those that have never been out of the country do not have a clear picture.

But, having a passport is moot because most Americans have no vacation (or cannot afford) to travel overseas.
Prove it. Personally, I have plenty of vacation and money to travel, but CHOOSE to stay in the US for a number of reasons. One, this country is so vast and interesting, it would take a very long time to exhaust all it has to offer. Secondly, I don't want to travel to a disgusting location, such as Europe, for my vacation. Yea, those same socialist practices make it a place I don't care to visit.
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Old 06-22-2016, 12:44 PM
 
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I don't know all of their tax structure, but on new cars its "only" 180%

Buying a car in Denmark: even a banger costs a fortune - Telegraph
Read this to clear that up:

//www.city-data.com/forum/autom...honda-fit.html
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Old 06-22-2016, 12:46 PM
 
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I don't know all of their tax structure, but on new cars its "only" 180%

Buying a car in Denmark: even a banger costs a fortune - Telegraph
Income tax averages around 55%. Uh, no thank you.
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Old 06-22-2016, 12:46 PM
 
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"In addition to 12 national holidays, workers in Spain receive, at a minimum, 22 vacation days per year. And through collective bargaining, this figure may be even higher in some workplaces. However, while employers in Spain are required by law to give employees a total of over one month off a year, a large portion of Spanish workers cannot even find jobs. According to the OECD, Spain’s unemployment rate in 2012 was 25.1%, higher than any other member country. As part of its broader reforms enacted in 2012 to close its deficit, Spain capped severance pay to reduce firing costs and passed new rules that would limit collective bargaining for wages. Some advocates have pushed for further reform, with the Bank of Spain advocating for the temporary elimination of the country’s minimum wage."
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Old 06-22-2016, 12:49 PM
 
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Danes dont pay property taxes, but taxes are not very relevant here, because the cost for McDonalds in Denmark to employ workers is what we are discussing. The Big Mac costs the same in US and Denmark (which has a 25% VAT tax which is included in this price) and workers get 5 weeks paid vacation, 1 year paid family and medical leave, great sick leave etc (all mandated by their elected representatives of course), and get paid $18 an hour as a minimum. By the logic of people here, they should be starving to death because they are so demanding, those awful workers.
No, I believe we're discussing quality of life with regards to employer/employee relationships. The argument is being made that Denmark is sooooo much better than the US because they're soooooo enlightened that they pay the same as the US yet give more vacation time. That is simply not true, as the take home pay rate is far less in Denmark, thanks to enormous taxes.
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Old 06-22-2016, 12:51 PM
 
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If all these poor American workers are one step above the sweat shop I wonder how they could possibly afford to travel out of the country?

Or maybe Europe is a dense nation of small countries and passports are a necessity. But hey, facts.
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Old 06-22-2016, 12:57 PM
 
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Income tax averages around 55%. Uh, no thank you.
Despite any misinformation that may be out there:



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Land value tax
The Danish ejendomsskat (or Municipal Property Tax) is a land value tax, which taxes the base value of the land according to either:

The total value of the property minus the value of improvements or
The value of the property last tax year, altered by a growth/decline percentage.
Whichever of those two assessments is lower results in the base land value.[3][4] This base land value is taxed at between 1.6 and 3.4% in 2013,[4] although some individual properties may pay more or less.

Proceeds from selling ones home - if there is any home equity (Danish: friværdi) - are not taxed, as the marginal tax rate on capital income from housing savings is around 0 percent.[5]
http://www.skat.dk/skat.aspx?oId=2114240&vId=0

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All homeowners must pay property value tax. Most homeowners pay the tax via their preliminary income assessments. If you are self-employed, you must pay the tax using the giro payment forms you received together with your preliminary income assessment in November.

You can see the calculation of the property value tax in your tax assessment notice.
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Old 06-22-2016, 01:00 PM
 
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No, I believe we're discussing quality of life with regards to employer/employee relationships. The argument is being made that Denmark is sooooo much better than the US because they're soooooo enlightened that they pay the same as the US yet give more vacation time. That is simply not true, as the take home pay rate is far less in Denmark, thanks to enormous taxes.
You still dont answer the question as to how McDonalds sell Big Macs for the same price in Denmark as in the US even though workers dont get a raw deal like in the US. Whether the workers pay more in taxes on their gross wage or not is not relevant for McDonalds' ability to provide Big Macs for the same price as in the US.

Regarding taxes, taxes in Denmark are invested in quality of life. A foreign concept. Not on bailouts to fat cats and the donor class. Taxes mean people dont pay any money for a university education, health insurance, retirement savings, child care, disability and unemployment insurance is top notch, much better public transit etc etc. In other words, taxes in Denmark actually substantially reduces financial insecurity for workers.
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Old 06-22-2016, 01:03 PM
 
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First, you seem to love diversion.

Second, most low wage workers would rather work and make money than not work. Demanding more vacation time is essentially demanding having no job for a couple of weeks. Not many low wage workers are demanding no job or paycheck for a couple of weeks, and vacation is just that.
Mmmm, yes, that's why people who have vacation time get a paycheck even while on vacation. Because it's paid, not unpaid. If you don't get paid vacation, that's your problem.
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