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View Poll Results: Do you support two weeks of mandatory vacation for all full-time workers in the US?
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Old 06-23-2016, 08:50 AM
 
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I don't care if you are right or wrong
Arguing for the sake or arguing is not a good idea.

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Now about that claim that I'm some extreme right winger because I correctly pointed out that you don't need a passport to take vacation and travel in the US. Thats pretty much inexcusable to call me out on that in order to try and make your points.
Nothing wrong with not having a passport. I simply mentioned that because many Americans are unaware that there are other parts of the planet that are also developed and quite civilized.
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Old 06-23-2016, 08:51 AM
 
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"Put simply, independent contractors are cheaper for companies to hire. Employers don't have to offer them benefits like health insurance and 401(k)s, pay them overtime or give them paid days off. They don't have to pay into state unemployment insurance or worker's compensation funds on the contractors' behalf. And they don't have to cover the employer share of their payroll taxes or withhold income taxes. "

The only part of that that is really true is the bold. Employers don't have to offer anyone health insurance, 401Ks, or give them paid days off.
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Old 06-23-2016, 08:53 AM
 
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Arguing for the sake or arguing is not a good idea.



Nothing wrong with not having a passport. I simply mentioned that because many Americans are unaware that there are other parts of the planet that are also developed and quite civilized.
Its not arguing for the sake of arguing, its pushing for more fact based argument rather than emotional and anecdotal references.


There was nothing "simple" about what you said regarding the passport situation. You lumped my comment into a group of comments that you claimed were extreme right wing concepts and went on to imply that it was so wildly off base that one might think you were making it up. Unfortunately my own insistence on using facts seemed to backfire on me here because you reacted so adversely to the simple fact.
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Old 06-23-2016, 09:17 AM
 
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Arguing for the sake or arguing is not a good idea.



Nothing wrong with not having a passport. I simply mentioned that because many Americans are unaware that there are other parts of the planet that are also developed and quite civilized.
I think that's a stretch. Americans travel quite frequently. We are also a huge country with dozens of different ethnic regions all under one roof. No passport required.

The distance between Berlin and London is less than the distance between Southern California and Eureka, California. If you drive from Berlin west you pass through maybe four countries and take a tunnel. A passport isn't the sign of anything.
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Old 06-23-2016, 10:06 AM
 
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I think that's a stretch. Americans travel quite frequently. We are also a huge country with dozens of different ethnic regions all under one roof. No passport required.

The distance between Berlin and London is less than the distance between Southern California and Eureka, California. If you drive from Berlin west you pass through maybe four countries and take a tunnel. A passport isn't the sign of anything.
https://mic.com/articles/28780/why-6...u-s#.VYtdf8dOf

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Sixty four percent of the population of the richest and most influential country in the world have never been abroad.

Americans received an average of 12 days of vacation in 2012 (down from 14 in 2011), but used only 10. Moreover, 68% of American vacationers admitted to checking in with the office either “regularly†or “sometimes†during their vacations, which suggests that most Americans are still prioritizing work during their time off. From a cultural standpoint, we Americans are clearly a little overly concerned with our jobs.

(Before you defend our vacation masochism and accuse the Europeans of being lazy, according to a mounting body of research, failing to take vacation is counter-productive; see studies from each of these: The Atlantic, Time, BusinessWeek, Harvard Business Review, Ernst & Young, New York Times).

According to a 2012 LivingSocial study, three of Americans’ top ten dream destinations are right here in the United States, including Las Vegas and Disney World. Really? Of all the amazing places to go in the world, with seven continents and over 200 countries, we pick Disney World as a dream destination? Let’s dream a little bigger than that.
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Old 06-23-2016, 10:27 AM
 
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But, if you do not visit other countries you will never get a clear picture. You need to go to Germany and the Netherlands and talk to those folks and see how they live.

Many of us (Americans) have this false concept that life is hell everywhere except the USA. It is hard to imagine that workers in other countries have it better than we do.

It would be great for some people and awful for others. I could not have the lifestyle I like in Europe. I have relatives in eastern and western Europe, have visted and know their lives, and they are used to it but like many Americans, I would not like it. I would prefer not to be a lifetime worker bee with cradle to grave government entitlements. Could not practice my hobbies there either, due to prices and regulations. I know lots of younger people would prefer Europe. I don't think US should go in that direction, it is unique and has opened up a lot of opportunities for people around the world to want to immigrate here.
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Old 06-23-2016, 11:04 AM
 
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It would be great for some people and awful for others. I could not have the lifestyle I like in Europe. I have relatives in eastern and western Europe, have visted and know their lives, and they are used to it but like many Americans, I would not like it. I would prefer not to be a lifetime worker bee with cradle to grave government entitlements. Could not practice my hobbies there either, due to prices and regulations. I know lots of younger people would prefer Europe. I don't think US should go in that direction, it is unique and has opened up a lot of opportunities for people around the world to want to immigrate here.
America continues to be a great country for those of us that are "upper middle class and above" with a solid education, good family, and a secure job. However, the larger fraction of Americans are struggling and now have a lifestyle that is below the middle class in Europe.
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Old 06-23-2016, 11:50 AM
 
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Halloween's a way off yet. It was YOUR argument, not mine, bub, that I disputed.
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Old 06-23-2016, 12:22 PM
 
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Halloween's a way off yet. It was YOUR argument, not mine, bub, that I disputed.
Halloween????????????????
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Old 06-23-2016, 01:07 PM
 
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America continues to be a great country for those of us that are "upper middle class and above" with a solid education, good family, and a secure job. However, the larger fraction of Americans are struggling and now have a lifestyle that is below the middle class in Europe.
Struggling working/ middle class America is still not clamoring for European style government control. They just want jobs - vacation benefits is secondary. US can pull out of this with good, smart strategy, we don't need European role model, they have some serious problems now too.
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