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Thread title says it all, wondering why?
Because I for one definitely remember the likes of Anita Bryant and Jim Bakker and company trying to impose their views on others, while a bunch of the right leaning posters deny it ever happened.....
A lot of people who say they are libertarians today are only selectively so, meaning they aren't libertarians at all. Sorry, can't answer your question, but it's a good one.
Why do you make things up so much? Anything to deflect from the failure that is progressivism.
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Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220
Because I for one definitely remember the likes of Anita Bryant and Jim Bakker and company trying to impose their views on others, while a bunch of the right leaning posters deny it ever happened.....
Because you like to make things up doesn't mean it happened. Right leaning has nothing to do with being conservative. Not that you care about the truth.
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Why do you make things up so much? Anything to deflect from the failure that is progressivism.
Because you like to make things up doesn't mean it happened. Right leaning has nothing to do with being conservative. Not that you care about the truth.
One I didn't make it up, when posters try to say that fascism is left wing, that is pretending that conservatism is actually libertarianism.
And two, I didn't make anything up. And yes, right leaning IS conservative, it's the definition of it
Because I for one definitely remember the likes of Anita Bryant and Jim Bakker and company trying to impose their views on others, while a bunch of the right leaning posters deny it ever happened.....
Simple. Times are changing. Many people who could otherwise be conservatives are turned off by certain stances. Some '"conservatives" aren't very religious these days. Some "conservatives" actually have more libertarian views than conservative views.
Because I for one definitely remember the likes of Anita Bryant and Jim Bakker and company trying to impose their views on others, while a bunch of the right leaning posters deny it ever happened.....
There has been a relentless campaign against traditional culture and values for the past 60 odd years. That campaign worked. Cultural conservatives have been cowed.
The libertarian (small 'l' emphasized) movement drew largely from campus conservative groups such as William Buckley's Young Americans for Freedom (founded in 1960) who drew much of their ideological grounding from the Objectivist philosophy of Ayn Rand, which in turn emphasized a questioning of authoritarian absolutes, and a central principle of non-contradiction (e.g: Why use authoritarian mechanisms such as the draft to fight Marxism on the other side of the globe while tolerating it ninety miles from American soil?)
Such reasoning was an easy sell on campus, but a problem for the conservative establishment, so many YAF chapters folded, and more outsiders such as the late Murray Rothbard and Karl Hess gained further influence within a group that preached "society without coercion", but couldn't reconcile their quest for ideological purity with the complicated socioeconomic system that emerged afterworld War II, and would ensnare most of them /(us) soon enough. And as many of us continued our interests n diplomacy and statecraft into real-world adulthood. the simplistic beliefs morphed somewhat, and the more-pragmatic side of the libertarian movement/Party began to emerge via the efforts of people like the late John Hospers and Roger McBride, But this does NOT pigeon-hole us with either the absolutists of the Christian Right, or the Cult of Political Correctness / Social "Justice" -- both of whom simply select a set of "values" suited to their absolutes, although the latter are far more-changeable and less logically-consistent.
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Why do conservatives now try to pretend they are more like libertarians, and ignore the moral majority era?
