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Old 06-20-2016, 05:33 PM
 
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That is NOT how gun confiscation works. Perhaps you should read some history from Germany circa 1930's.

First there is a move for background checks, then registration, THEN confiscation.

It is not paranoia that causes those of us who believe in the 2nd Amendment to be concerned, it is knowledge of history and human nature.
Yeah, the gun laws were definitely the worst part about living in Nazi Germany (according to RWNJs).

But that's not even what happened. Gun regulations were much tighter just after WWI... the laws changed a few times until finally Hitler made permits last longer, lowered the legal age of firearm acquisition, made it easier for some to get guns without permits, etc. In fact, Hitler did pretty much the OPPOSITE of what you think he did.

Hitler DID target firearm ownership among a certain ethnicity, however. So which presidential candidate likes to target certain ethnicities again? Which members of THIS BOARD like to talk about a specific ethnicity as if it's the cause of all social ills?

Believe me, if you want to make comparisons to Nazi Germany, white Christian males are NOT analogous to the Jews... even if they are champions of freedom, truth and the American way (AKA, everything the left hates).
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Old 06-20-2016, 05:35 PM
 
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The Senate can't even pass a law to keep guns out of the hands of terrorists---you really think they're coming for your guns?
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Old 06-20-2016, 05:37 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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The Senate can't even pass a law to keep guns out of the hands of terrorists---you really think they're coming for your guns?
I don't. Apparently some leftistos think they'll "Gitter done". Build those prisons, hire those goon squad door kickers.
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Old 06-20-2016, 05:39 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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The idea of complete gun confiscation is the cornerstone of right wing ideology when it comes to this issue.

In general, only the looniest of the left advocates the complete gun ban but right wingers think that those of us that would like to see SOME moderate measures passed are just lying about it. We want to take all of their guns.
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Old 06-20-2016, 05:49 PM
 
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The Senate can't even pass a law to keep guns out of the hands of terrorists---you really think they're coming for your guns?
I don't buy the "kick in your door" confiscation scenario. Mostly because no one is going to be the guy to go through the door knowing they are going to get shot.

I do buy the "we will make it incredibly difficult and expensive to legally own a gun" scenario though.
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Old 06-20-2016, 05:50 PM
 
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maybe people wouldn't be so paranoid about it if states didn't chip away at gun laws.
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Old 06-20-2016, 05:51 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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It is the middle of the night and SWAT teams wearing scary black helmets and armor are going door to door, neighborhood to neighborhood, breaking down people's doors, terrorizing families, and tearing through homes to confiscate any firearms they may have. This is what many conservatives fear that Obama and the Democrats ultimately want to happen.

Does this fear have any basis in reality at all? How does any mention of stricter background checks, a ban on certain types of clips, or closing the gun show loophole become a mass, nationwide gun grab by a totalitarian government?

To be honest, though I am more liberal on most issues I tend to lean conservative on Second Amendment rights, but I just don't understand where this paranoia is coming from. Nobody has proposed a gun grab that I am aware of. If anything, Second Amendment rights have increased over the past couple of decades.


Door to door goon squads are not necessary.

Banning the sale or transfer of certain weapons just delays the confiscation until your family has to turn it in when you die.

Incrementalism is the way to go....same way you boil a frog.

Ban this gun.....ban that magazine...

Wait for another mass shooting where shooter uses a different weapon.......rinse and repeat.

Door to door confiscations are bad for your image.....so you do "buy back" programs.

Then you make the buy backs mandatory like Australia did. (Which is just confiscation with a happy face)

Gun control advocates are just marinating the frog and looking for a light.
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Old 06-20-2016, 05:52 PM
 
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The paranoia is the reality to the person thinking it, and then hiding guns in various bunkers.

Australia had no problem in changing over to a gun free existence. Seems even the ppl understood that life was more valued, and that is a freedom they were happy to live with. They didn't have near the transistion that the us would entail.

our govt likes when we attack each other while they are busy making the bigger decisions.
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Old 06-20-2016, 05:54 PM
 
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Door to door goon squads are not necessary.

Banning the sale or transfer of certain weapons just delays the confiscation until your family has to turn it in when you die.

Incrementalism is the way to go....same way you boil a frog.

Ban this gun.....ban that magazine...

Wait for another mass shooting where shooter uses a different weapon.......rinse and repeat.

Door to door confiscations are bad for your image.....so you do "buy back" programs.

Then you make the buy backs mandatory like Australia did. (Which is just confiscation with a happy face)

Gun control advocates are just marinating the frog and looking for a light.
Well don't worry. There aren't going to be any changes to federal gun laws. The Senate is busy voting down all motions related to tighter gun laws as I write.
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Old 06-20-2016, 05:59 PM
 
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A little actual knowledge goes a loooooong way.

There was a total ban on gun purchases in Germany after they lost WW I. The Weimar Republic (1919 - 1933) established a more liberal gun registration policy in 1928, and that was the policy that the Nazis inherited. But only newly purchased weapons were registered; the stuff left over from WW I was never recorded.

In 1938, the Nazis loosened up gun ownership requirements. Now, anyone could own a gun. Anyone, that is except Jews - they were forbidden to be armed.

There absolutely was NO "move for background checks, then registration, THEN confiscation" in Germany.

It is worth noting that after WW II, even German police were not allowed to carry firearms. Private ownership of guns was not allowed until 1956.

Ya might read up a little bit.
Are you claiming that Jews were not required to register firearms with the government in Nazi Germany?

Are you saying that firearms were NOT confiscated from Jews?

Are you saying that registration was NEVER required in Germany and that Jews were forbidden to be armed before the rise of Hitler?
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