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Old 06-20-2016, 09:40 PM
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Location: NC/SC Border Patrol
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There are thousands of gun laws prohibiting possesion, purchase, carry thereof and there have been bans...its naive to think that confiscation might never occur.
Yes, it is not the governments business to know what guns you own. It should never be the business of the government to know about your gun ownership. That is what the constitution is about in the first place. We should have a right to protect our home and property. I am more concerned about an overreaching government than I will ever be about someone shooting up the place.
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Old 06-20-2016, 10:12 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Yes, it is not the governments business to know what guns you own. It should never be the business of the government to know about your gun ownership. That is what the constitution is about in the first place. We should have a right to protect our home and property........
I agree with that part. I have a gun and no one knows it but me. That's the way it ought to be. No registration. I do like the cooling off period, though.

The part where you and I disagree is with what kind of gun I can buy. I can defend myself and my home without using an assault weapon capable of banging out 5 rounds a second and being reloaded in 1/2 second. They should not be sold.
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Old 06-20-2016, 10:38 PM
 
Location: NJ
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It is the middle of the night and SWAT teams wearing scary black helmets and armor are going door to door, neighborhood to neighborhood, breaking down people's doors, terrorizing families, and tearing through homes to confiscate any firearms they may have. This is what many conservatives fear that Obama and the Democrats ultimately want to happen.

Does this fear have any basis in reality at all? How does any mention of stricter background checks, a ban on certain types of clips, or closing the gun show loophole become a mass, nationwide gun grab by a totalitarian government?

To be honest, though I am more liberal on most issues I tend to lean conservative on Second Amendment rights, but I just don't understand where this paranoia is coming from. Nobody has proposed a gun grab that I am aware of. If anything, Second Amendment rights have increased over the past couple of decades.
any basis? does historical precedent count?


should we consider the sage advice , 'those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it...'.or should that advice be considered ridiculous and ignored?
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Old 06-20-2016, 10:48 PM
 
Location: Florida
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There are thousands of gun laws prohibiting possesion, purchase, carry thereof and there have been bans...its naive to think that confiscation might never occur.
It has happened in Australia recently.
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Old 06-20-2016, 10:50 PM
 
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It is the middle of the night and SWAT teams wearing scary black helmets and armor are going door to door, neighborhood to neighborhood, breaking down people's doors, terrorizing families, and tearing through homes to confiscate any firearms they may have. This is what many conservatives fear that Obama and the Democrats ultimately want to happen.
Yes and fortunatly thier plans have been delayed!!
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Old 06-20-2016, 10:55 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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I agree with that part. I have a gun and no one knows it but me. That's the way it ought to be. No registration. I do like the cooling off period, though.

The part where you and I disagree is with what kind of gun I can buy. I can defend myself and my home without using an assault weapon capable of banging out 5 rounds a second and being reloaded in 1/2 second. They should not be sold.
Unless the guy "attacking" you has one right? Or multiple guys. Good math,,,,,or not.
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Old 06-21-2016, 01:51 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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It is the middle of the night and SWAT teams wearing scary black helmets and armor are going door to door, neighborhood to neighborhood, breaking down people's doors, terrorizing families, and tearing through homes to confiscate any firearms they may have. This is what many conservatives fear that Obama and the Democrats ultimately want to happen.

Does this fear have any basis in reality at all? How does any mention of stricter background checks, a ban on certain types of clips, or closing the gun show loophole become a mass, nationwide gun grab by a totalitarian government?

To be honest, though I am more liberal on most issues I tend to lean conservative on Second Amendment rights, but I just don't understand where this paranoia is coming from. Nobody has proposed a gun grab that I am aware of. If anything, Second Amendment rights have increased over the past couple of decades.
No, it has no merit whatsoever, and BOTH sides like to use it as a political strawman to knock down. Democrats use it as a strawman so that they can make any and all arguments against gun control seem silly and unfounded, and Republicans like to use it as a strawman to shut the conversation down about gun control alltogether.
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Old 06-21-2016, 01:57 AM
 
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The issue has already been to the US Supreme Court. So you can quiet down now.
But don't you just love conspiracy stories?
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the issue can be revisited by a more liberal supreme court

never say never




The issue can even be ignored by the SC for the same effect in some instances.
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Old 06-21-2016, 01:58 AM
 
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None whatsoever.
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Old 06-21-2016, 02:32 AM
 
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The Senate can't even pass a law to keep guns out of the hands of terrorists---you really think they're coming for your guns?




You really think even for a moment that ANY Law would accomplish this?


If terrorists really wanted a firearm and no more were even being manufactured at all they could just make their own.
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