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Old 06-21-2016, 06:50 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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There are several states that have had registration for decades. It allows LE the ability to track firearms to violent criminals, it also provides accountability for firearm owners. There has been no confiscation.
80K attempts by felons per year with an average of four arrests. Now we're cookin with gas.
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Old 06-21-2016, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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80K attempts by felons per year with an average of four arrests. Now we're cookin with gas.
Funny, they don't fund the ATF and make sure they don't have the resources to prosecute then they complain about lack of results. Still that's 80,000 that were restricted from purchase.
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Old 06-21-2016, 06:55 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Funny, they don't fund the ATF and make sure they don't have the resources to prosecute then they complain about lack of results.
IMO they are really missing something there. Something measurable and passes the logic test instead of worrying about what "features" are on guns. In other words something that could actually be a game changer in crime stats.
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Old 06-21-2016, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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[QUOTE=bawac34618;44484060]It is the middle of the night and SWAT teams wearing scary black helmets and armor are going door to door, neighborhood to neighborhood, breaking down people's doors, terrorizing families, and tearing through homes to confiscate any firearms they may have. This is what many conservatives fear that Obama and the Democrats ultimately want to happen.

Does this fear have any basis in reality at all? How does any mention of stricter background checks, a ban on certain types of clips, or closing the gun show loophole become a mass, nationwide gun grab by a totalitarian government?

To be honest, though I am more liberal on most issues I tend to lean conservative on Second Amendment rights, but I just don't understand where this paranoia is coming from. Nobody has proposed a gun grab that I am aware of. If anything, Second Amendment rights have increased over the past couple of decades.[/quote]


Well, it was necessary 10 years ago to vote on a bill that would not allow government confiscation of all firearms in the event of a national emergency. Hillary voted no, but saner heads prevailed.

Beyond that, it's always fun to listen to people who know nothing about guns, flap their gums about them--clips and magazines are two different things.
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Old 06-21-2016, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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The issue has already been to the US Supreme Court. So you can quiet down now.
But don't you just love conspiracy stories?

Someone hasn't kept abreast of gun control organizations' own croakings with respect to what their uiltimate aim is.

When outright bans aren't feasible, they're aiming for de facto infringement on the 2nd amendment: tax firearms and ammo, add annual "surcharges" for every gun possessed, enact draconian taxes and fees on ammo, and restrict and limit its purchase, require that every firearm be insured...

Educate yourself. And, BTW, the only ones who need to "calm down" are the left's useful tools who wring their hands and offer emotional responses when addressing gun crimes--as long as they're not the gun crimes committed every day, in every city, by those illegally possessing guns.
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Old 06-21-2016, 09:20 AM
 
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Educate yourself. And, BTW, the only ones who need to "calm down" are the left's useful tools who wring their hands and offer emotional responses when addressing gun crimes--as long as they're not the gun crimes committed every day, in every city, by those illegally possessing guns.
The left defends illegal guns?
Really?
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Old 06-21-2016, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Georgia
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It is the middle of the night and SWAT teams wearing scary black helmets and armor are going door to door, neighborhood to neighborhood, breaking down people's doors, terrorizing families, and tearing through homes to confiscate any firearms they may have. This is what many conservatives fear that Obama and the Democrats ultimately want to happen.

Does this fear have any basis in reality at all? How does any mention of stricter background checks, a ban on certain types of clips, or closing the gun show loophole become a mass, nationwide gun grab by a totalitarian government?

To be honest, though I am more liberal on most issues I tend to lean conservative on Second Amendment rights, but I just don't understand where this paranoia is coming from. Nobody has proposed a gun grab that I am aware of. If anything, Second Amendment rights have increased over the past couple of decades.
I agree- I don't get it. No, I certainly don't want our right to bear arms taken away, but to think by banning some assault weapons- that we are opening the door for total gun control is paranoia.
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Old 06-21-2016, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
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The left never tells you what their ultimate goal is upfront. If their ultimate goal is a gun ban, they will start with stricter background checks. When they get that, they will continue incrementally passing stricter legislation until they finally arrive at gun bans. But make no mistake, most lefties would ultimately like to see guns only in the hands of the State.
The "universal background checks" mantra is a smokescreen. The way background checks are conducted is via a federal form 4473. It records both the purchaser and the serial number of the firearm, and is maintained indefinitely. This isn't a "background check", it is an end-run for universal firearms registration. Period. Which is what those whining for UBC don't want people to understand.

In every state where registration has come to pass, confiscation has followed.
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Old 06-21-2016, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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The "universal background checks" mantra is a smokescreen. The way background checks are conducted is via a federal form 4473. It records both the purchaser and the serial number of the firearm, and is maintained indefinitely. This isn't a "background check", it is an end-run for universal firearms registration. Period. Which is what those whining for UBC don't want people to understand.

In every state where registration has come to pass, confiscation has followed.
If your definition of confiscation is taking guns out of the hands of felons and others under a protection order then yes.
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Old 06-21-2016, 10:34 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Funny, they don't fund the ATF and make sure they don't have the resources to prosecute then they complain about lack of results. Still that's 80,000 that were restricted from purchase.
How? They can walk right back in and purchase it in parts and be shooting at the range in an hour. All legally. They can't legally own it but they can legally buy it. What good is the BGC?

You are just telling people to use the back door when they can't come in the front. This has been hashed over a dozen times. We either enforce the BGC or it's everyone's waste of time and resources.
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