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Old 06-22-2016, 07:55 AM
 
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Because history shows otherwise-it is ingrained in Cops/Military to follow orders. Wish it were other wise but..
No you don't. No military coup has ever led to a government that provided more liberty for its citizens.
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Old 06-22-2016, 07:57 AM
 
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Most recent wars have NOT been constitutional-which requires a declaration of War by Congress.
Nothing in the Constitution gives the military the power to make that determination.
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Old 06-22-2016, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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No you don't. No military coup has ever led to a government that provided more liberty for its citizens.
I'm not talking about a military coup. I meant I wish it wasn't so ingrained in Cops/Military to strictly follow orders, often from people that do not have the best interests for them or our country. I am talking about recent wars-which were not constitutionally declared.
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Old 06-22-2016, 08:16 AM
 
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I'm not talking about a military coup. I meant I wish it wasn't so ingrained in Cops/Military to strictly follow orders, often from people that do not have the best interests for them or our country. I am talking about recent wars-which were not constitutionally declared.
When Congress rolls over and shows their bellies to an Executive initiative, what did you expect the military to do besides say, "Yes, sir?"


The generals did all they could to drag their feet on going into Iraq, for instance. The Army CoS got himself fired and the Commandant of the Marine Corps got pointed to a chilly retirement because they resisted going into Iraq.


Congress just rolled over for the president. What, exactly, did you expect the generals to do?
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Old 06-22-2016, 08:28 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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The more diverse and multicultural the US becomes, the more likely the union will break up IMO. Could "Brexit" spur a movement in the US?
The United States has always been multi-cultural.

The only thing that attempted to break up the Union was the Civil War, instigated by a bunch of people who demanded the right to buy, sell, enslave, rape, beat, murder, and own other people.
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Old 06-22-2016, 08:37 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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For me it's a victory against globalization which is bad for all of us. Unless you are a billionaire who will profit greatly from easy access to peasant labor.
Hmmm. Isn't trump a billionaire who profits greatly from peasant labor?

I believe he is, and does!
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Old 06-22-2016, 08:46 AM
 
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In order to save the Constitution, we have to separate ourselves from it. The American far right is so.....smh


Give it up, neo-Confederates. Stop trying to fight the Civil War 150 years after it was over


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Old 06-22-2016, 09:28 AM
 
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For me it's a victory against globalization which is bad for all of us. Unless you are a billionaire who will profit greatly from easy access to peasant labor.
You're a right winger. When did you become less enamored with billionaires getting rich from cheap labor? That's what you righties are all about.

In fact, you guys get sick at the thought of a guy paying someone really good wages and benefits. Especially if you find out that he can get the labor at slave rates somewhere else.
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Generally speaking, I believe government power should be as close to the people as possible and we should have as few layers of government as possible. The EU adds another layer and moves power one more layer from the people. That's a perfect formula for reduced freedom and many have seen in the EU.
If that's what the people of GB want, why is that any concern of ours? GB isn't a dictatorship. They're in the EU based on national consensus at the time.

Basically, if they want another layer of government, then more power to them. I see no reason to get giddy or angry either way.
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Old 06-22-2016, 09:34 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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We all benefit from cheap labor.
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Old 06-22-2016, 09:53 AM
 
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The United States has always been multi-cultural.

The only thing that attempted to break up the Union was the Civil War, instigated by a bunch of people who demanded the right to buy, sell, enslave, rape, beat, murder, and own other people.
With the vast majority in control being European, Christian. Watch the wheels fall off when they lose control. You can see it already.
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