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Old 06-21-2016, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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Anyone advocating 'banning all Muslims' is infringing on the constitution.
Anyone advocating 'banning all guns' is infringing on the constitution.

Both are bad answers in an open society.
Exactly!
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Old 06-21-2016, 02:58 PM
 
Location: The Island of Misfit Toys
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I know you're very desperately trying to make a point, but you keep moving the goal posts and deflecting.

I suggest you move on because you're having a hard time convincing anyone but yourself (and perhaps few stragglers) that guns are evil and if we somehow eliminate the 2A, we won't have anymore mass killings.
What are you talking about? YOU shifted from guns to hijacking planes. This is a thread about how to stop mass shootings, not the much rarer hijackings.

Maybe you should move on.
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Old 06-21-2016, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Prescott Arizona
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Removing African Americans from this country would reduce our crime levels to below western European levels; however, that's not a realistic or reasonable approach to gun violence in America just like banning all Muslims.

We need to get rid of the guns...........
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Old 06-21-2016, 03:01 PM
 
Location: louisville
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What are you talking about? YOU shifted from guns to hijacking planes. This is a thread about how to stop mass shootings, not the much rarer hijackings.

Maybe you should move on.
In all fairness, you did mention 'mass killings' multiple times.
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Old 06-21-2016, 03:49 PM
 
Location: So California
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Removing African Americans from this country would reduce our crime levels to below western European levels; however, that's not a realistic or reasonable approach to gun violence in America just like banning all Muslims.

We need to get rid of the guns...........

You cant take guns away from good and reasonable people, because the bad guys will find a way to get them.
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Old 06-21-2016, 04:46 PM
 
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If one looks most Muslims who have accomplished death and destruction in America are of the Sunni persuasion. Maybe Americans should be asking why we're not going after such organizations as the Wahabists who support it and make it possible.

Seems to me we need to ask ourselves why America is supporting terrorism in secular countries in favor of the likes of ISIS. Seems to me that perhaps Iran, Syria, Russia isn't our real enemy. I think our politicians have been bought and really do not want to stop this terrorism.

I think those in power use things like this to keep us talking and fighting, not acting or thinking too much.
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Old 06-21-2016, 04:50 PM
 
Location: The Island of Misfit Toys
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You cant take guns away from good and reasonable people, because the bad guys will find a way to get them.
Did you even read my opening post?
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Old 06-21-2016, 04:51 PM
 
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But don't unstable countries naturally see more of their citizens flee for their safety?

Would you have banned Jewish people from Nazi Germany from entering the United States too?
Oh, I don't support a ban from these countries. Sorry, I should have made that more clear. I think we should accept refugees, but I don't think adding additional securities, and possibly slowing down the process for a short time to sort that out, is overly unreasonable. It keeps everyone safe, including those trying to enter the country.
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Old 06-21-2016, 04:54 PM
 
Location: louisville
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Oh, I don't support a ban from these countries. Sorry, I should have made that more clear. I think we should accept refugees, but I don't think adding additional securities, and possibly slowing down the process for a short time to sort that out, is overly unreasonable. It keeps everyone safe, including those trying to enter the country.
Only question I'd have for that 'additional vetting' is, are they interned on a compound or .... Everyone keeps saying additional checks but there is no context.

Normal immigration, they live with a sponsor.
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Old 06-21-2016, 04:58 PM
 
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Only question I'd have for that 'additional vetting' is, are they interned on a compound or .... Everyone keeps saying additional checks but there is no context.

Normal immigration, they live with a sponsor.
I don't know. I'm not above admitting that.

I'm no expert on immigration, so I won't pretend to know how the best way to go about this is. I don't think we should be putting them is what is basically a prison, if that's what you're asking. They should be in relatively good conditions, and if this means some sort of public housing, so be it.

My primary point was more about how talking about potential threats from certain countries in a current state of stability is completely reasonable, but talking about 'their skin is this' or 'they worship that' is not.
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