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Here's a link to UT- Austin's Freshman class profile from last year that provides some good numbers relevant to the discussion at hand. Only 5% of the incoming class was African American and 22% Hispanic, with the large majority still White and Asian. And, the Freshman retention rate is 95%, so is UT really letting in a large number of unqualified minority applicants? It doesn't seem so.
Absolute BS. Many whites have been champions of equality since the founding of the US, and were leaders in abolishing slavery and the civil rights movement. Matter of fact, slavery would have not been abolished nor would there have been any equal rights without numerous whites supporting it.
As for the rest of your post, complete BS. You are still making a claim that discrimination is ok, against what equality is all about, then try to justify your bigotry by the statement I quoted above.
If you said socioeconomics, in which blacks make up a disproportionate amount on the lower end, then I would agree with you, but you stated "blacks", meaning regardless of their socioeconomic status, they should be granted not equality, but preferences.
Additionally, you only addressed blacks, but ignore Hispanics who were not subjected to slavery in the US, nor were ever historically in large numbers until recently, mitigating your argument about past injustices as a reason for such affirmative action programs, yet they still flood in here both legally and illegally, so the US and the "evil whites" must not be all that bad.
You also left out Asians, which do have a history in the US of slavery and being indentured servants, yet they as a group excel at academics and socioeconomic status, to the point there is discriminatory policies against them in favor of Hispanics and blacks.
You also left out how on an individual level, does these past injustices impact anyone today? So the black kid that decides to not take school seriously and get poor grades is influenced by slavery how? Especially given the numerous black kids who do get good grades and go on to college? It is just a **** poor excuse for their behavior is all it is. Somehow the decision to engage in dealing drugs is justified by stating their great grandfather lived through Jim Crow laws.
Then you fail to explain despite all these past injustices, why is it blacks are the hardest on each other? The safest place for any black to be is in a white area, not a black one. What do past injustices have to do with the decision today to turn a neighborhood into some crime ridden ghetto?
Read with understanding, not once did I say anything about there not being white people who championed the abolition of slavery, nor did I say that many whites have not helped many black black people. It is simply about how Affirmative Action Came into being.
So, even had Scalia been alive, affirmative action would've been upheld. I'm with the dissent on this one. Moreover, with Texas' top 10% program, racial affirmative action isn't needed.
So, even had Scalia been alive, affirmative action would've been upheld. I'm with the dissent on this one. Moreover, with Texas' top 10% program, racial affirmative action isn't needed.
Good point. And that's arguably really why the "Top 10% rule" (which I think is actually around the top 8% now actually) was implemented in the first place. To encourage high achieving minority students from any High School in the state to apply, and ideally matriculate, to the UT's and A&M's in the first place and make those University demographics more representative of the state as a whole. It's also been a benefit to students from small, rural schools as well (another population that traditionally did not apply).
Critics have contended it was designed as a back door into an Affirmative Action program because without it, many students from these low performing high schools would not have qualified for admission. Many say that students from low performing schools that get in under the automatic admission have difficulty with the coursework and often need extra help, prep classes etc. I don't know if that's actually true or not. Moreover, the school has had similar programs in place for decades. I'm sure other State's flagship institutions do as well. I was given automatic admission to any state school in the late 80's based on class rank in the top quartile and SAT >1000. Of course, the standards have steadily increased since then.
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In your opinion, it should be all about academic achievement?
And extra curricular.(awards, sports but listed as generic as possible, clubs, activities) But yes. If you want to avoid any all chances of bias, make every one as generic as possible, and then accept the best or most well rounded students.
Therefore, why can't University simply cut the crap and admit those who apply, American Citizens First, then if there is room then the % allocation for Foreign Students. Someone will still complain, because that too is a quota.
Foreign students pay cash- they don't get scholarships and so they are great for the bottom line. That's why they are so top heavy in American universities. They are also generally better educated (Asian and Swedish students blow Americans out of the water) and better prepared for university work than American students who need so much "remediation".
It's also possible that affirmative action (10-20 years from now) will help whites, who will then be a minority in this country thanks to decades of poor immigration policies including lack of border control and the insane lottery system instead of sensible admitting and vetting as in other civilized countries.
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