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View Poll Results: Should We Keep or End Affirmative Action?
We Should Keep Affirmative Action 14 12.61%
We Should End Affirmative Action 97 87.39%
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Old 06-23-2016, 08:09 PM
 
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If Affirmative Action is totally abolished at private and public universities, there will be 40% Asians at Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT, etc. and blacks will go from double digit percentage to like 2%. Are you okay with that?
Why is that a problem?

It should be strictly merit based.
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Old 06-23-2016, 08:10 PM
 
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You said "few years ago," which means that it was probably round 2010. That's about 15 years after the internet has become widely available. There might be speed difference between the 90s and 2010, but the information and ability to search information hasn't changed much. And, there is virtually no difference between 2010 and 2016.
Its not a speed issue in terms of connection speed, although that has a minor impact. And it certainly had ZERO to do with search technology, although in 2016 its definitely easier to search and troubleshoot issues on your own simply due to the volume of more social media sites and message boards collecting more answers to common issues as time goes on.


The evolution of different coding methods and technology has absolutely changed between 2010 and today. Different versions of HTML and XML have come about in that time and made web interfaces exponentially easier to use and navigate. Its also been made much easier for different non-affiliated establishments like a university and a bank or financial aid institute to easily connect on the back end for a seamless user experience to the point where you may not even realize you are applying for financial aid on a schools website, but doing through a widget that is completely owned and coded by a financial institute, whereas only a few years ago you may have had to go to multiple websites to do so.

But the point isn't that the kid was sitting there going "duh, I don't know how to click a link" it was a bigger issue that I wish I could remember, but it impacted only a small number of people and really had almost nothing to do with their ability to navigate a website.

The bottom line for me using that example is that there are always going to be a few exceptions where we need to account for those who might fall through the cracks through no fault of their own.
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Old 06-23-2016, 08:11 PM
 
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Thank you for pointing that out. I deliberately did not mention sports scholarships, because IMO they are asinine. College is for academics. Oh, yes, I suppose jocks have their place, after all, the alumni give lots of money to the schools for the sports nuts, and the jocks get all kinds of academic help to ensure that they qualify to play, and it can be a stepping stone to the "commercial" sports teams, and the jocks will be able to get medical assistance when their brains get too scrambled from repeated concussions for them to be productive members of society.
The amazing thing is that so many people think this is a wonderful thing!
Sports have been part of the university experience for a century. Forget about the idea that sports don't belong in universities. One of the things I'm proudest about relative to my Alma mater is our sports program. I can't imagine college without it.
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Old 06-23-2016, 08:11 PM
 
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A racially-divided country needs and deserves racially-based "solutions"!!!!!!
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Old 06-23-2016, 08:12 PM
 
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Sports have been part of the university experience for a century. Forget about the idea that sports don't belong in universities. One of the things I'm proudest about relative to my Alma mater is our sports program. I can't imagine college without it.
People feel the same about the Greek system.
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Old 06-23-2016, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Texas
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If Affirmative Action is totally abolished at private and public universities, there will be 40% Asians at Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT, etc. and blacks will go from double digit percentage to like 2%. Are you okay with that?
I think if a school is advertising for the best, it should take the best.

That being said, a private school can do whatever it wants.
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Old 06-23-2016, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Texas
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What are you talking about? Internet was widely available since the mid 90's.
I applied to med school in 1997.
The internet was not involved in any way, shape, or form.

Bunches of typed up papers with little boxes that you had to mail were.
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Old 06-23-2016, 08:16 PM
 
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Why is that a problem?

It should be strictly merit based.
Merit is subjective.

Again, why would universities want whole campuses with nothing but eggheads. No one wants that. What's the sense in having an admissions department then. A simple computer can select the students with no human element involved. If you're admitting 5000 New students, just pick the top 5000 test scores.

LMAO....just the idea of something so stupid is laughable.
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Old 06-23-2016, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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"If you're admitting 5000 New students, just pick the top 5000 test scores.

LMAO....just the idea of something so stupid is laughable."

Yes, obviously to some people it is.
There are those of us, though, who think it would be a great idea, and not stupid at all!
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Old 06-23-2016, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Shouldn't there be diversity?
No. Why should there be diversity?
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