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View Poll Results: Should We Keep or End Affirmative Action?
We Should Keep Affirmative Action 14 12.61%
We Should End Affirmative Action 97 87.39%
Voters: 111. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-23-2016, 08:39 PM
 
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"If you're admitting 5000 New students, just pick the top 5000 test scores.

LMAO....just the idea of something so stupid is laughable."

Yes, obviously to some people it is.
There are those of us, though, who think it would be a great idea, and not stupid at all!
You do know that the ones from these top 5,000 top scorers that did not get into the Ivy League level schools eventually end up at other good schools such as NYU, University of Georgia, University of Alabama, etc., right?
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Old 06-23-2016, 08:40 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Merit is subjective.

Again, why would universities want whole campuses with nothing but eggheads. No one wants that. What's the sense in having an admissions department then. A simple computer can select the students with no human element involved. If you're admitting 5000 New students, just pick the top 5000 test scores.

LMAO....just the idea of something so stupid is laughable.
Actually, it's a good idea.

Just the idea that you think it's stupid is laughable.
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Old 06-23-2016, 08:40 PM
 
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Wow, guys, just look at the poll result on this thread.
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Old 06-23-2016, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Merit is subjective..
So is skin color and race.
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Old 06-23-2016, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Thank you for pointing that out. I deliberately did not mention sports scholarships, because IMO they are asinine. College is for academics.
How did you decide that college is for academics? That's just your opinion. Without sports college would be totally boring.
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Old 06-23-2016, 08:47 PM
 
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"If you're admitting 5000 New students, just pick the top 5000 test scores.

LMAO....just the idea of something so stupid is laughable."

Yes, obviously to some people it is.
There are those of us, though, who think it would be a great idea, and not stupid at all!
Yeah. So have no sports....minor or major, no band, no famous alums...you know...the things that bond alums together long after they graduate.

No. Just campuses full of eggheads.

We should get rid of a whole century of tradition because some of you have this ridiculous idea that the university experience should be only an academic one.

SMH...unreal.
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Old 06-23-2016, 08:55 PM
 
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Sports have been part of the university experience for a century. Forget about the idea that sports don't belong in universities. One of the things I'm proudest about relative to my Alma mater is our sports program. I can't imagine college without it.
You can have a sports team without engaging in a recruitment arms race where you let in otherwise below the bar students (and as a corollary reject deserving students) for the sake of winning more games. There are D3 schools where the athletes are more rather than less academically qualified than the student body as a whole, and life goes on. Now, Duke/UNC aren't going to drop basketball recruitment anytime soon nor should they, but outside the top athletic schools and biggest universities where filling a team is a drop in the bucket the current system basically amounts to a mutual defection in a prisoner's dilemma scenario.
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Old 06-23-2016, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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I'll take up the cause for sunsetting Affirmative Action for minorities AFTER White Americans start sunsetting:
-Legacy admissions that let in unqualified students bc their parents went to school there.
-Preference & scholarships for athletes, that let in unqualified students just bc they play hockey, lacrosse, water polo, tennis, etc.
-preference for extracurricular/volunteer activities that disproportionately benefit lazy students who'd rather good off at an animal shelter than study.
-networking preference bc some unqualified student's parent knows someone on the board, in the admissions office, or an alum.
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Old 06-23-2016, 09:02 PM
 
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I'll take up the cause for sunsetting Affirmative Action for minorities AFTER White Americans start sunsetting:
-Legacy admissions that let in unqualified students bc their parents went to school there.
-Preference & scholarships for athletes, that let in unqualified students just bc they play hockey, lacrosse, water polo, tennis, etc.
-preference for extracurricular/volunteer activities that disproportionately benefit lazy students who'd rather good off at an animal shelter than study.
-networking preference bc some unqualified student's parent knows someone on the board, in the admissions office, or an alum.
No disagreement that, like affirmative action, that stuff should go as well. It's less morally objectionable because unlike affirmative action it's not explicit racism, but it's not good policy either. Those restrictions were originally put into place to stop the children of jewish immigrants from taking "too many" slots at the top schools, and are functioning today (in conjunction with affirmative action) to do the same thing to the children of asian immigrants.
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Old 06-23-2016, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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That assumes that the same percent block of the population segments also has a desire to go to college.

We need to stop insisting that college is the right answer for everyone, and trying to force giant un-affordable loans on them because we are selling them on that idea.

Let them go to trade school, or start their own business, or do whatever they want. Lets stop assuming we know whats best for everyone else just because we think it was best for us.
Hey Rip, only 66% of today's students go to college, and only 30-some percent graduate from college.
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