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Old 06-26-2016, 06:57 AM
 
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After the "remain" side lost there was instant sour grapes from the losing side. "72.2% is not a big enough of a voter turnout. It needs to be 75%." "52% is not a big enough of a majority, it needs to be 60%." "Look we quickly got 3 million signatures for a revote!"

Except much of the 3 million signatures are turning out to be fake.

39,411 signatures are from the Vatican City -- total population 800, hmmm.

23,778 signatures came from North Korea -- right.

South Georgia and the Sandwich Islands, which has ZERO year round population somehow produced 3,000+ signatures.

The British Antarctic Territory has 400 scientists and ZERO settled population, but somehow produced 2,700 signatures.

Etc.....

Sour grapes rigging in abundance.

Second referendum petition: Concern as call for new Brexit vote gains more than 39,000 signatures *from Vatican City - population 800
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Old 06-26-2016, 07:25 AM
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2 million yesterday (now 3 million petition signatories)--in this short a time--is a massive bs red flag. The 2 million supposed signatures yesterday--one day after the results--reeked of 'off,' left field, scripted, unusual.
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Old 06-26-2016, 07:37 AM
 
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This comes as no suprise. Tear it up. Move forward with the exit.
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Old 06-26-2016, 07:38 AM
 
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It's getting more difficult for the Ministry of Truth to manipulate us in the Tech Age.
Of course the Low Information crowd will continue to believe the Fairy Tales.
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Old 06-26-2016, 07:43 AM
 
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Since 48% of voters wanted to remain, it seems well over 3 million people in the UK support that position regardless. And it only takes 100,000 signatures for the petition to be recognized. It seems more likely that someone would want to sabotage the petition than add unnecessary signatures to it.

I don't understand why anyone would think that this is 'the will of the people' as a whole and there's some massive conspiracy to suppress people's voices. Unanimous decisions aren't even how democracy works.

On an issue as heated as this, it isn't completely unrealistic to expect people to demand a do-over... I doubt it will happen, but acting like this is a huge controversy or some sort of attempt to undermine the will of the people is dumb.
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Old 06-26-2016, 07:44 AM
 
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It's getting more difficult for the Ministry of Truth to manipulate us in the Tech Age.
Of course the Low Information crowd will continue to believe the Fairy Tales.
It's this kind of crap that has helped cause all of this. I fully support Brexit and those trying to over throw the establishment here in the U.S. but that doesn't mean others have absolutely no legitimate concerns.

Dismissing those concerns with insults is not how to get people to see and understand your concerns.
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Old 06-26-2016, 07:46 AM
 
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Since 48% of voters wanted to remain, it seems well over 3 million people in the UK support that position regardless.

I don't understand why anyone would think that this is 'the will of the people' as a whole and there's some massive conspiracy to suppress people's voices. Unanimous decisions aren't even how democracy works.
In a democracy there is always winners and losers. Nobody ever said it was the will of the people overall. What is being pointed out is that people voted to leave in part because of B.S. trickery like we see here.
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Old 06-26-2016, 08:44 AM
 
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It's this kind of crap that has helped cause all of this. I fully support Brexit and those trying to over throw the establishment here in the U.S. but that doesn't mean others have absolutely no legitimate concerns.

Dismissing those concerns with insults is not how to get people to see and understand your concerns.
It's not an insult to point out that some folks are totally clueless and believe any Tweet the read. Anyone who is not "concerned" is an idiot. This is a Major Event that is shaking Financial matters Worldwide.

Do FAKE online petitions help in any way? I don't think so, but that's just me. I much prefer to know what is really happening instead of what is a scam.
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Old 06-26-2016, 10:32 AM
 
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It's not an insult to point out that some folks are totally clueless and believe any Tweet the read. Anyone who is not "concerned" is an idiot. This is a Major Event that is shaking Financial matters Worldwide.

Do FAKE online petitions help in any way? I don't think so, but that's just me. I much prefer to know what is really happening instead of what is a scam.
The petition does appear to be a scam but there are people with legitimate reasons to not leave the E.U. They lost but that doesn't mean some of their concerns aren't legitimate.
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Old 06-26-2016, 10:49 AM
 
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I would think a revote is likely. The next year will disclose the reality of the situation. And the mass of that information is going to be perceived as negative. The immigration situation, a big motivator, is likely to remain mostly unchanged for instance. And a hard stand by the UK can have draconian consequences.

And the real issue is what does it take to make a net change of 2%. Less than a million votes out of 35 million.

I would describe the decision as tentative until it survives for a while and the turmoil clears.

On the other side of course the EU may also go unstable making it a very interesting year.
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